Wow! Isn't that the darned truth!?
Posted on 03/03/2005 9:24:10 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
A judge released the DCF document seeking intervention in the Terri Schiavo case. She's the brain-damaged woman at the center of a "right to die" battle.
The department of children and families document names Michael Schiavo as responsible for the mistreatment of his wife. The nine complaints cited are very technical. They essentially claim the abuse or neglect of Terri is in the form of the kind of medical treatment Terri is, or in some cases is not receiving.
The complaint accuses Michael Schiavo of: 1. Failure to educate using certain therapies in violation of guardianship 2. Experimental procedures performed without proper medical and legal procedures observed. 3. Lack of manipulation of the ward's (Terri’s) arms causing severe contractures
Circuit judge George Greer says he will make the document available to the public tomorrow. Greer ordered Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be removed March 18th.
...or factual correctness, for that matter.
Does her brain show any consistant signs of not being considered brain dead?
Unless brain dead, I can't see how they can even consider any of this.
"For all the millions of dollars wasted fighting challenges from both sides of the issue there could have been a lot of good passed on to homeless people or treating illnesses that the outcome is more predictable. "
Oh the poor homeless, I think you have flipped to the dark left side.
What rights have the do gooders prevented Terri from enjoying? The right to be starved? The point is that no Living Will exists. Years after the evnt occured Michael stated that she expressed a wish that she not have heroic preventative measures.
First of all, Micahels assertions are suspect. Second providing sustenance is not heroic measures. If that was true than I am hero for giving my family food to eat.
Michaels subsequent actions appear to 1) use the award $ for other than purpose is was provided. IE: to provide proper medical and rehabilitive care to Terri. Second he has chosen to retain guardianship when he has another woman and children. He has persistantly tried to get Terris life terminated. He has prevented visitors and good medical care. Does not appear that he has her goood wishes at heart.
Why should he wish her to be starved? Maybe he did the original dmage. I do not know. I know that many people would prefer an inconvient spouse to just die. He could divorce her and her parents have stated they will take up the guardianship.
It seems to be the situation that a state guardian should have been appointed to safeguard Terri's interests. That has been prevented by Michael and Judge Greeer.
This case stinks to high heaven.
Thousands!!
I am not aware that it was stated just that way, and only that way. My impression is that what was stated was Mr. Schiavo's interpretation of what Mrs. Schiavo would have wanted, based on the fact that he was her husband. As a country built on Judeo-Christian beliefs, we recognize spouses as people's closest relationships, as they leave their parents and cleave to the spouse.
He has persistantly tried to get Terris life terminated. He has prevented visitors and good medical care. Does not appear that he has her goood wishes at heart.
Only because you put do-goodism and your own wishes above the wishes of Mrs. Schiavo herself. If she would have wished to be out of this situation, Mr. Schiavo is acting perfectly consistent with the view of a decent man--respecting his wife's wishes.
He could divorce her and her parents have stated they will take up the guardianship.
Again, an indication that you don't understand that this is acceptable only if Mr. Schiavo is NOT a decent person. Perhaps the fact that he's NOT letting do-gooders stomp his wife's wishes is an indication that he is an honest man. Why are we assuming guilt of him? Are unfounded accusations all it takes to interfere in a marriage and overturn a spouse being able to act? What makes you think you or anyone else on this planet knew Mrs. Schiavo better than the man who shared her life?
It seems to be the situation that a state guardian should have been appointed to safeguard Terri's interests.
Who appointed the GAL?
This case stinks to high heaven.
Finally we agree on something. This case should be dropped immediately and allow Mrs. Schiavo to get some peace. Maybe Florida and the Schindlers could even get a bit civilized and allow Mrs. Schiavo to receive sufficient morphine to make the whole process less traumatic.
What has amazed me is the many nasty things the estranged husband has pulled on Terri and her parents. Why not let her have flowers in the room? There are many, many more such examples. And his accusation of her parents wanting to kill her when it is he who wants her dead -- and thus used it as an excuse not to let them visit her -- was way over the top.
Then there is the question: How did Terri end up in this condition? In spite of the many red flags, it was never investigated.
Are they going to chip in and pay for her care?? Are they going to bathe her and change her diapers?
First of all, we "do-gooders" have yet to save Terri from judicial execution, but we can pray for two weeks to go. Secondly, it is the taxpayers now paying her expenses though her "husband" lives in a house presumed worth $400,000. Thirdly, it is the Schindlers who would provide her low-cost health care in their own home. So, if Terri were spared, you would be pleased: the taxpayers would no longer be paying her expenses. As far as "bathing her," that can be done in 10 to 15 minutes a day. The feeding tube probably would require less than 20 minutes a day. But the Schindlers will resume feeding by mouth if given the chance.
Again, you are not informed about the details of this case. Remember, liberals say "the devil is in the details." Secondly, you are a well human being advocating death for a helpless person. Hubert H. Humphrey, no conservative, said that a society is judged by how it treats the "least" of our citizens. Under your recommendation, we would flunk the Humphrey test for sure.
You are not fooling anyone with your constant "Mrs. Shiavo, Mrs. Schiavo, Mrs. Schiavo" routine you pull on every thread.
We spotted your drivel (aimed at portraying this independent child of God as a piece of property belonging to Michael Schiavo, ergo, he has the absolute, unquestioned right to starve and dehydrate her to death) before you got out of bed the first morning you started this. Suffice it to say, we spotted it from so far off, we almost knew you before you were born.
I will, as will millions, be so thankful to the all that is good and holy and heavenly, when she is freed from the hellhole Michael, Felos and Greer put her in, and she is in a good, sweet place surrounded by love and care, and she can breathe the good, sweet air of freedom and civilization
once again.
What a day of rejoicing that will be...
>His power of atty to act in behalf of his wife has been usurped. So much for living wills being valid if the state wants to interfere with private matters.<
First of all, this case does not revolve around a living will (there is none), and if you want to consider a person's abuse of his ward "private", you better darn well pray you never end up with Alzheimer's or MS, Bucky.
In addition, a person's spouse, in this country, is not a possession, and if my spouse shacks up and procreates with some little chickie while I'm incapacitated, I sure don't want him deciding whether I live or die.
I would like to hear or read it, too. However, I don't know whether it has been published; I've looked for it. If Michael has been silent through all it, then I'll say that he is in some ways more honorable than the Schindlers, who have attempted to manipulate public opinion, violated the spirit if not the letter of the Court's rulings, and in some instances distorted the facts. Neither side in this long saga has been above reproach. It is unfortunate for Terri.
She didn't have a living will. If you can take a few minutes and read some articles at www.theempirejournal.com you'll learn that a previous DCF investigation was closed as "unfounded", the investigator was one of Greer's campaign contributors. The Advocacy Center for the Disabled is charged with helping and protecting disabled citizens in Florida...MS blocked them by not allowing access to Terri. The stink is so thick that one of the Florida agencies realized that docs which would prove that they did not do their job were in possession of a Florida citizen who made a complaint. They had the nerve to request the return of those docs. . .they must have thought the person to be a royal dufus. The stink rises all the way to AG Charlie Crist. I really think that many in Florida realized there was a big mess going on in Terri's case but are afraid to dig into it like this NY reporter at TEJ has done.
This excerpt from http://www.theempirejournal.com/93040563_schindler_attorney_says.htm
Chapter 90 of Florida Statutes states that no person interested in an action or proceeding against the personal representative….of a deceased person or agent….or guardian of a mentally incompetent person shall be examined as a witness regarding any oral communications between the interested person and the person who is deceased or mentally ill at the time of the exam.
Terri did briefly come home -- to her parents' home -- in 1990 or 1991. After 42 days she was put back into hospice care because the burden of caring for her was too great. That was 15 years ago. Mr. and Mrs. Schindler must now be at least in their 60's. While I understand their desire, it is very likely they will soon find they are not able to care for her.
Anyone brought into the court that disagrees with Felos's witnesses is discounted by Greer or won't even be heard. There is a signed affidavit, at least one, from a different case involving attorneys also working for Felos in which Greer employs the same tactic. No quarter for anyone testifying contrary to witnesses for Felos or his associates.
thanks for your words. I have been pretty much alone in this group.
I did not know that she had been home for 42 days in the early 1990s. The Schindlers have said that they would like to care for her at home: she would need the "home health" services. I suspect that their will to make this work would overcome their age. Her younger brother would be her official guardian were she allowed to come to the parents' residence.
Even if Terri has round-the-clock nursing care in the Schindlers' home, there are still many burdens to bear. The Schindlers will find this a much greater task than they are anticipating. It is quite likely they will find soon find it too overwhelming.
I can't believe how you have let O_z hijack this thread. Stay focused.
Wow! Isn't that the darned truth!?
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