Posted on 02/26/2005 1:27:31 PM PST by srm913
Republican disowns lesbian daughter
Gary Younge Saturday February 26, 2005
Guardian When the leading Republican and rightwing pundit Alan Keyes was asked what he thought of Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of the US vice-president, he called her "a selfish hedonist". If his own daughter came out as a lesbian, said Mr Keyes, he would say the same thing.
So when Mr Keyes' only daughter, Maya Marcel-Keyes, declared herself a "liberal queer" at a public rally he lived up to his word. Her parents turned her out of their house, broke off all communication and stopped paying her university tuition fees.
Ms Keyes told a rally supporting gay young people in Maryland: "We have to figure out what we can do to make sure that during those times when it seems like everything in the world is turning against them, like everyone in the world is rejecting them, that they know there are resources out there they can turn to; there are people out there who will say to them, 'I care'."
Ms Keyes joins a list of gay people with rightwing relatives, including Mary Cheney and Candace Gingrich, the sister of Republican congressman Newt Gingrich. But Mr Keyes, a darling of the religious right, has been more outspoken on the issue than most.
Ms Keyes says her parents were "not too pleased" when she came out. "Things just came to a head. Liberal queer plus conservative Republican just doesn't mesh well."
Her older brother has offered her somewhere to stay and she has been given a scholarship to continue at college.
"My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities," Mr Keyes said in a statement.
Ms Keyes says she loves her parents and "totally understands" their position.
How's about Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth hes son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."
Thanks, I think you are also a good mom.
I guess you missed the part on my initial post about putting them out "or letting them stay as long as they contribute."
I think we do our children a disservice when we coddle them and let them become lazy and dependant. You said when your son lived at home he did chores and was a great help around the house. This is exactly what I meant...he was contributing. Would you have let him stay if he had been doing something dishonorable while you supported him; like drugs or elicit sex, pedophilia, abuse? Would you let him stay if he destoyed your property, disrespected you or others in your household.
I realize to some posting on this thread, that homosexuality does not rise to this level. I guess to Keyes it did. Who are we to judge. It is his home, his decision, his daughter. Hopefully everything will turn out well with this family. Anyone who hopes otherwise is just wrong.
Good grief. I never 'trotted' that out. Listen very carefully. I.....disapprove....of...the....daughter's.....lifestyle. It....is.....a.....sin. However, for the father to 'disown' the daughter (as the headline states) is just as much of a sin. Christ did not teach tough love. Christ taught us to love our enemies.
If a blind and deaf man is walking on a railroad track, and you see a train coming, the loving thing to do is knock him out harm's way. He may scream and be hurt in the process, but you have saved him.
That's the spirit!! Try to equalize a blind man walking down the railroad tracks to a man disowning his daughter. Tell me o wise one. Where exactly is the daughter going to see the love of Christ if the father cuts the daughter off, pushing her even further away? Maybe we can hope she'll see a 700 Club broadcast or something like it one day? Or perhaps with the new 'friends' Keyes has pushed her into the arms of they will be able to speak about the love of Christ? I really doubt that. Well, no matter, she'll get some form of love from them right? And when she grows up she can look back on this and see that her father really did have her best interests in mind...
This is the responsibility of Christians who are called on to "love your neighbor as much as you love yourself." It's part of bearing the cross for Christ because you will certainly be vilified for speaking God's truth to fellow sinners.
I would comment on this statement however you are twisting it so much to condone your 'tough love' that Christ never spoke of, it would really be useless to even do so. It's quite evident you wouldn't understand
Obviously, the Church is failing horribly in this task today.
No what the church is evidently failing in is to 'love our enemies'. I never said to condone her actions. I never said I approved of her actions. However, I also have never seen 'tough love', an unBiblical principle, work. Or perhaps you could explain to me in Christ's parable why the father gave the prodigal son his entire inheritance to do with it as he saw fit and still accept him back afterwards. That's not tough love, that's unconditional love. Willing to love, and yet not condone the action, the sinner through the sin and willing to accept them back when they realize where they are as they realize who has been showing them true love throughout
The version I quoted from is the New King James Version, as if that matters.
Fact is, you're doing your best to spin away what is obvious: homosexuality is an especially egregious sin. It even rates that special biblical label: 'abomination'.
What sins others commit is irrelevent.
I find it to be pretty juvenile tactic on your part...on par with the kid who tries to downplay his own misdeed by pointing out the shortcomings of others.
RE: "Throughout this thread, you seem to be saying homosexuality is acceptable, i.e. not sinful. Are you?"
Sinful and acceptable aren't always joined at the hip, mi amigo. Quite a few things which one can determine to be sinful from the Bible should be "acceptable" to most Americans on the legal/legislative front (at least) because they don't directly affect te safety and welfare of those who oppose said actions. In other words, there are just some things that are none or your (or my) damn business.
Oh, and no, I don't really believe tha homosexuality is sinful, at least not any more sinful than "calling your brother a fool" or any number of things condemned by the Bible that have been sent my way by the self-proclaimed faithful here on FR.
And what would you do?
RE: "Jesus Did Not Repeal The Law
Without the law, lawlessness cannot exist. Yet as Christ said, "because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold" (Mat. 24:12). Christ will throw "those who practice lawlessness… into the furnace of fire" (Mat. 13:41-42)."
Then I congratulate you for never having worked a Sunday (Sabbath) in your lifetime, and never losing your cool and insulting or swearing at others. What? You did? Off to Hell with you...
1. That's not "spare the rod and spoil the child," which, as I said, is a quote from Hudibras.
It still does not apply to daughters.
There are many variants. None are gender neutral and none apply to daughters.
RE: "In #234 you say you can't understand all the hatred...
then you say: GET LOST, YOU INBRED MORON!
Oh consistancy, thou art a jewel!"
Please. You systematically hate an entire group of people, slandering millions of decent people every time you post.
I only hate you and a few other jerks on this thread.
I think i've come out of this a LITTLE cleaner than you have.
Buddy, if you have a problem with God's word, take it up with Him...
LOL...when you come on a conservative website like FR and call people 'homophobes', you hardly make yourself look like a conservative.
So, kid, which 'institution of higher learning' has filled your head with all this liberal mush?
RE: "19Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like..."
Hmmm, homosexuality...homo...No, I don't see it. care to tell me where it is in there?
While you're at it, why don't you point out the last time you told a drunk that he was going to Hell for his sin? Is not "drunkenness" among the above sins. Go ahead, enlighten me.
fornication, uncleanness, lewdness....What part of homosexuality does not apply to these things.
I've heard - although I can't prove - that one or two FReepers might be fornicators.
Don't go blabbing it around, though. ;-)
Sometimes doing the right thing can seem harsh. I'm sure Doctor Keyes hates that it has come to this, but he's not obligated to finance his daughter's depraved lifestyle.
"Well, my own Bible (a King James Version) has it a bit differently than that one, and those differences are crucial to understanding the meaning of the scripture."
I use the KJV, and I don't see it your way. Are you a lawyer? A gay lawyer? I thank God you are not interpreting the Word for me. I'd be in ditch with you.
"Lost in the translation is the fact that the "unnatural affections", presumably homosexual behavior because of the referrence to lust, is termed by Paul to be everything from vile to unseemly without ever being called sinful."
Peter wrote of you and those like you that don't understand Paul's writings, saying "...they that are unlearned and unstable (hello?) wrest, as they do also other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:16
I've seen a few of us have "outbursts of wrath" as well....
RE: "What sins others commit is irrelevent."
Nope. Hypocrisy is no more a concept that God smiles upon than homosexuality is. I'd think a real Bible scholar like yourself might know that much.
I have never seen a Drunk pride week or Drunk pride parade, nor have I seen a public school that had seminars teaching students to accept and promote drunkeness.
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