Posted on 02/26/2005 1:27:31 PM PST by srm913
Republican disowns lesbian daughter
Gary Younge Saturday February 26, 2005
Guardian When the leading Republican and rightwing pundit Alan Keyes was asked what he thought of Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of the US vice-president, he called her "a selfish hedonist". If his own daughter came out as a lesbian, said Mr Keyes, he would say the same thing.
So when Mr Keyes' only daughter, Maya Marcel-Keyes, declared herself a "liberal queer" at a public rally he lived up to his word. Her parents turned her out of their house, broke off all communication and stopped paying her university tuition fees.
Ms Keyes told a rally supporting gay young people in Maryland: "We have to figure out what we can do to make sure that during those times when it seems like everything in the world is turning against them, like everyone in the world is rejecting them, that they know there are resources out there they can turn to; there are people out there who will say to them, 'I care'."
Ms Keyes joins a list of gay people with rightwing relatives, including Mary Cheney and Candace Gingrich, the sister of Republican congressman Newt Gingrich. But Mr Keyes, a darling of the religious right, has been more outspoken on the issue than most.
Ms Keyes says her parents were "not too pleased" when she came out. "Things just came to a head. Liberal queer plus conservative Republican just doesn't mesh well."
Her older brother has offered her somewhere to stay and she has been given a scholarship to continue at college.
"My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities," Mr Keyes said in a statement.
Ms Keyes says she loves her parents and "totally understands" their position.
I work in the same office as two long time freepers. They read the post, called me and told me they have no idea why my post #159 was pulled, even if it had not been obvious sarcasm. They do not think it was strong stuff at all after posting and reading for many years, and are as miffed as I am.
God must owe Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.
To hear the Law of God preached to them so they are convicted of their sin and realize their desparate need of a Savior. That's why!
Do you know how many homosexuals have been led away from Christ by the bigotry and hatred they've encountered in traditional Christian churches?
What you call "bigotry and hatred", so elequently using religious political correctness, is telling them the truth about their sin and out of love for their eternal welfare, confronting and warning them of the eternal consequences of their unrepentent sin.
Do yo know how many homosexuals and sinners of all varieties have been led TO Christ because the Law was preached to them?
The problem with your "love" is that you will love them right into hell.
How convient, of course.
RE: "Would you please leave off the hyperbolic, hyper-emotional rhetoric"
You mean such hyperbolic rhetoric as "gays are sinners...going to hell...perverted...unnatural...evil".
Check out this thread a little closer and you'll find that these heated, ugly, venomous slurs are being aimed not by me, but by my opposition.
That you single me out as the most vicious snake in a nest of vipers is quite curious to me. What's your agenda?
Joe, you are right. It is a choice. It is a choice to ignore the Bible, nature and a goodly heritage in order to pursue selfish gratification.
RE: "How convient, of course."
Truth is never conveniant, oil. It's the hardest thing in the world for some people to accept (*wink*).
MW: The story we're hearing is that he disowned you, kicked you out.
MAYA MARCEL-KEYES: He cut off all financial support, but that's something that I can totally understand. I am working for things that he's directly opposed to. It doesn't make much sense for him to be [financially] supporting someone who is working against what he believes in.
....
MW: Are you upset with how the media have handled your story?
MAYA MARCEL-KEYES: There have been a lot of rabid media who don't care about anything I have to say. It's weird because all they want to know is do I hate my father, trying to get me to say bad things about him, trying to get me to say that I'm angry [at him], and none of that is true. He's my father and I respect his decisions.
MW: Do you think your father would be good in government?
MARCEL-KEYES: He has a lot of integrity. He's a very honest person and I think he would be better than a lot of politicians. He actually stands for what he believes in. I don't agree with what he believes in, but a lot of people in this country do. He would make a good representative for those people.
THOUGHT THIS BEARS REPEATING.
I hope my kids can talk like that about me someday when they differ with my opinions!
I didn't see your post that was pulled,(I'm a moderator at some forums on a Christian website-christianity.com- myself), but it sounds like you employed a little sarcasm, which I certainly would have picked up on and understood you were being sarcastically ficitious. :-)
"zealous tent-revival huckster"?
Can't address that because I'm not sure what I said that applies to that. As for bigotry and hatred emanating from traditional Christian churches, that sounds like it's coming straight from the homosexual talking points.
Acceptance of the homo lifestyle will not be found in traditional Christian churches or traditional Christian households so if that's hate well then you're in good company with most of the homosexual agenda regarding Christianity.
However Keyes is not forcing his daughter to accept his Christian beliefs. But at the same time nowhere in Scripture does it say that you are supposed to sit idly by and love sin in all its glory.
"I try to have an open mind."
Yes, your "open" mind has served you well. You've listened to blind leaders of the blind, fallen into the ditch with them, and you're still down there listening to them.
"The fundies are no match for me."
Psalms 29:23 A man's pride shall bring him low.
Like I pointed out: you're in the ditch! And too proud to admit it.
Now smile....cause Jesus loves you anyway.
M/M Keyes have no doubt wept over their daughter's choice. And the "prodigal daughter" knew the the consequences. When she recognizes her error. I'm sure they will rejoice at her return.
The falacy of the "gay gene" has been exposed and refuted for many of years by geniticists themselves. There is not a single shread of evidence for any "gay gene".
If you have any post it.
If I may repost a short blurb:
MAYA MARCEL-KEYES: There have been a lot of rabid media who don't care about anything I have to say. It's weird because all they want to know is do I hate my father, trying to get me to say bad things about him, trying to get me to say that I'm angry [at him], and none of that is true. He's my father and I respect his decisions.BTW, what is the "Marcel" for?
RE: "To hear the Law of God preached to them so they are convicted of their sin and realize their desparate need of a Savior. That's why!"
Etc.
What are you babbling about? How can I love them into Hell for a sin they're not committing? It's interesting that no so-called "Christian" homophobes has ever been able to provide proof that the New Testament condemns homosexuality as a mortal sin. Please provide the NEW TESTAMENT words/verses that you interpret as anti-gay (the Old Testament won't do because before the arrival of Christ God condemned everything from eating certain meats to lifting an object that was , in effect, larger than an egg on Sundays as a sin. The crucifixion and ressurrection forever altered or discounted many of these earlier measures, proving that God does indeed change His mind).
At least the fundies can be pretty sure Keyes
daughter probably won't ever need an
abortion.
A home is not a church.
Hmmm...if you bother to read this NEW TESTAMENT passage, clear to the end, you will see that the Apostle Paul places those who approve of homosexual acts in the same boat as those who commit them.
Romans Chapter One
God's Wrath on Unrighteousness
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Throughout this thread, you seem to be saying homosexuality is acceptable, i.e. not sinful. Are you?
"The family relationship is not the same as a voluntary relationship between friends or associates."
But to sin against the family is intrinsically sacred and this is far worse than sinning against a stranger. The family is the core Church unit, the egglesia domestica, as it was called in the early days of Christianity.
There is too much unknown detail but there is nothing wrong in the parents not financially supporting the daughter's behavior which compromises their beliefs.
Jesus Did Not Repeal The Law
Without the law, lawlessness cannot exist. Yet as Christ said, "because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold" (Mat. 24:12). Christ will throw "those who practice lawlessness… into the furnace of fire" (Mat. 13:41-42).
Jesus was born under the Old Testament law:
...God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law. Gal. 4:4
The Mosaic law was still in effect in the New Testament according to Jesus:
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets... Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great..." Mat. 5:17-19
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