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To: Joe.E.Sixpack

RE: "To hear the Law of God preached to them so they are convicted of their sin and realize their desparate need of a Savior. That's why!"

Etc.


What are you babbling about? How can I love them into Hell for a sin they're not committing? It's interesting that no so-called "Christian" homophobes has ever been able to provide proof that the New Testament condemns homosexuality as a mortal sin. Please provide the NEW TESTAMENT words/verses that you interpret as anti-gay (the Old Testament won't do because before the arrival of Christ God condemned everything from eating certain meats to lifting an object that was , in effect, larger than an egg on Sundays as a sin. The crucifixion and ressurrection forever altered or discounted many of these earlier measures, proving that God does indeed change His mind).


294 posted on 02/26/2005 6:18:10 PM PST by RockAgainsttheLeft04 (Chaos is great. Chaos is what killed the dinosaurs, darling. -- from Heathers (1989))
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To: RockAgainsttheLeft04

Hmmm...if you bother to read this NEW TESTAMENT passage, clear to the end, you will see that the Apostle Paul places those who approve of homosexual acts in the same boat as those who commit them.


Romans Chapter One

God's Wrath on Unrighteousness

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.


297 posted on 02/26/2005 6:22:35 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Freedom. Brought to you by the grace of God and the Red, White and Blue...)
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To: RockAgainsttheLeft04

Throughout this thread, you seem to be saying homosexuality is acceptable, i.e. not sinful. Are you?


298 posted on 02/26/2005 6:24:52 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: RockAgainsttheLeft04
What are you babbling about? How can I love them into Hell for a sin they're not committing? It's interesting that no so-called "Christian" homophobes has ever been able to provide proof that the New Testament condemns homosexuality as a mortal sin. Please provide the NEW TESTAMENT words/verses that you interpret as anti-gay (the Old Testament won't do because before the arrival of Christ God condemned everything

Jesus Did Not Repeal The Law

Without the law, lawlessness cannot exist. Yet as Christ said, "because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold" (Mat. 24:12). Christ will throw "those who practice lawlessness… into the furnace of fire" (Mat. 13:41-42).

Jesus was born under the Old Testament law:

...God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law. Gal. 4:4

The Mosaic law was still in effect in the New Testament according to Jesus:

"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets... Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great..." Mat. 5:17-19

300 posted on 02/26/2005 6:26:10 PM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: RockAgainsttheLeft04
I'm sure that my stance seems like "babbling" to you, for these things are spiritually discerned.

It's interesting that no so-called "Christian" homophobes has ever been able to provide proof that the New Testament condemns homosexuality as a mortal sin. Please provide the NEW TESTAMENT words/verses that you interpret as anti-gay...

Sure thing. It's my pleasure.

I'll start with Romans 1:

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Now, lets move on to Galatians 5:

16I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Homosexuality is both adultery and fornication.

Thanks for asking. I'm glad we got that cleared up. :-)

308 posted on 02/26/2005 6:33:25 PM PST by Joe.E.Sixpack
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