Republican Disowns Lesbian Daughter (Keyes)

U.K. Guardian ^ | February 26, 2005 | Gary Younge

[srm913]

Republican disowns lesbian daughter

Gary Younge Saturday February 26, 2005

Guardian When the leading Republican and rightwing pundit Alan Keyes was asked what he thought of Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of the US vice-president, he called her "a selfish hedonist". If his own daughter came out as a lesbian, said Mr Keyes, he would say the same thing.

So when Mr Keyes' only daughter, Maya Marcel-Keyes, declared herself a "liberal queer" at a public rally he lived up to his word. Her parents turned her out of their house, broke off all communication and stopped paying her university tuition fees.

Ms Keyes told a rally supporting gay young people in Maryland: "We have to figure out what we can do to make sure that during those times when it seems like everything in the world is turning against them, like everyone in the world is rejecting them, that they know there are resources out there they can turn to; there are people out there who will say to them, 'I care'."

Ms Keyes joins a list of gay people with rightwing relatives, including Mary Cheney and Candace Gingrich, the sister of Republican congressman Newt Gingrich. But Mr Keyes, a darling of the religious right, has been more outspoken on the issue than most.

Ms Keyes says her parents were "not too pleased" when she came out. "Things just came to a head. Liberal queer plus conservative Republican just doesn't mesh well."

Her older brother has offered her somewhere to stay and she has been given a scholarship to continue at college.

"My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities," Mr Keyes said in a statement.

Ms Keyes says she loves her parents and "totally understands" their position.

[sofaman]

"Without a correct interpretation and understanding of Christian doctrine I can't fault you for feeling this way about your kids because without it anything goes."

So since I am not of the Christian faith, anything goes? Only Christians can see that Mr Keyes is correct in the way he has handled this situation?

I think that you are giving Mr Keyes way too much credit...and insulting me along the way. That's very un-Christian of you, it would seem to me.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

Am I to believe no one on this thread has a family member or has himself committed one of these acts and therefore deserves to be kicked out of their home?

See post 232.

[This Just In]

We must first look in Genesis with regard to the sexual relationship between husband and wife. Marriage relationships throughout old/new testament are never described as a loving relationship between two individuals regardless of gender. Lev. 18:22 makes it quite clear. Read carefully through the account of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Romans 16:26&27-
"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with WOMEN(my emphasis) and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (NIV)

On the contrary, this passage doesn't speak of specific acts of sexual intercourse, but rather the lustful behavior as being unnatural. I do have several translations, and unless an individual reads into the text, it is clear as to what the Lord is saying with regard to homosexuality.

I should mention that I have family members who are openly, and proudly gay. They will be the first to tell you that I love them deeply, and treat them no different than family members who are straight. I've had discussions on this topic and we obviously disagree, but I never attack them. Sin is sin, regardless of the kind. And Christ makes it perfectly clear that He came to this earth to die, and to be resurrected, for ALL sins(with exception to the unpardonable).

My apologies for the long response, but felt the post needed to be said.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

Today, many Christians condemn Christ’s attitude as unloving.

I get the distinct impression that many so-called "Christian churches" would run John the Baptist and Jesus out of church in a New York cocaine minute for not being politically correct enough, and being so mean-spirited.

[LowOiL]

The simple issue is, that I most certainly would not kick my kids out of the house or disown them because they "sin". See, I'm not perfect. I aspire to conduct my life as G-d would have me do. But I am not pompous or arrogant enough to condemn sinners so vociferously while being a sinner myself. That would smack of hypocrisy and would not go unnoticed by my children.

Ahhh, you have lost the ability to Judge Rightly... Why didn't you say so in the first place...

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Jesus repeatedly taught men to judge rightly, insisting they "judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24) and He praised a man who "rightly judged" (Luke 7:43). Paul shamed the Corinthian Christians because there was no one among them willing to "judge the smallest matters" (1 Cor. 6:2). As the Apostle wrote, "He who is spiritual judges all things" for "we have the mind of Christ" (1Cor. 2:15-16).

The notion that judgment is wrong is a ludicrous one. Should child-molesters escape condemnation? Should rapists be free from criticism? Should society refrain from judging those arrested for murder? Should we call evil good? Or would that be a judgment too?

"Judge not" is the prayer of those who want to hide light under a basket. The cliché describes salt which has lost its flavor, which no longer seasons or preserves. Those seduced by this terrible lie are taken out of the game. As spectators on the sidelines, they only watch the spiritual battle. But they are in a comfort zone. Apathy is the craving. "Judge not" is the mantra for shirking responsibility

A lie paralyzed the Church. To abhor evil, someone must first judge evil. God instructs men against "hypocrisy" commanding them to "abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9). Thus, unable to judge, and unaccustomed to abhorrence, Christians en masse become hypocrites when they obey the Hypocrites Golden Rule. For "judge not" (Mat. 7:1-5) is simply a hypocrites application of do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Mat. 7:12). "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged" (Mat. 7:2). Judge others as you would have them do unto you inverted is Judge not if you do not want to be judged. Therefore the hypocrite does not judge. As Jesus said, "Judge not… you hypocrite" (Mat. 7:1, 5 KJV; Ezek. 16:52).

Christ kept this theme throughout His ministry. "Hypocrites," Jesus said, "why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?" (Luke 12:56-57). Still, His own followers have mostly ignored the Lord’s harsh rebuke: "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye" (Mat. 7:5). "Judge Not" is the Hypocritical Oath.

"Judge Not" is hypocrite haven. He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. Such Christians, though, should relocate. Move into "the temple of the great God, which is being built with heavy stones" (Ezra 5:8).

Christians live in the "building" for which Christ is "the chief corner stone" (Eph. 2:20). And if that Stone falls on someone it "will grind him to powder" (Mat. 21:44; Luke 20:18; cf. Ex. 32:20). It is better to be judged by a Christian than crushed by Christ.

[sofaman]

And to follow up...the argument isn't about the acceptance of wrong. The argument is what to do about it. It is my contention that alienating your children does not lead them to realise that what they are doing is wrong.

Loving them will.

However, the entire argument is predicated on the assumption that homosexuality is a perversion akin to pedophilia, or drug addiction or alcoholism. I don't accept that.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

I don't know who died and made you the authority on Christianity

No one did. Who made you the authority on Christianity?

and I don't know what made you think you could come on here the day you signed in and takeover a thread, but you're wrong on both counts.

That's funny, I've not "taken over" anything. That would be pretty hard to do since I don't have access codes to do anything other than post along with many, many other posters including you.

[k2blader]

Great post!

BTW, I simply don't understand the sentiment some have expressed that parents withholding money for good reason from their grown children is "unloving".

When I was going to college, I knew my parents were paying a large chunk of the cost; and I had a responsibility on my end as well: keep up my grades, do well, graduate, and make sure their money was put to good use. This was an unspoken agreement between us.

I knew if I flunked a semester or got into really messed up things, my parents would *not* continue funding my "education". I knew this was fair. It was their money.

But the thing is, there was simply enough respect and love between us--respect and love rooted in love for Christ--that there was never any real danger of such a trial occurring.

Which is not to say any of us were perfect. Just that we were on the same footing when it came to personal accountability.

[From many - one.]

!. There is no proverb which says "Spare the rod and spoil the child" That is a line from a play by Hudibras.

There are proverbs which recommend hitting sons. Rehoboam was the result.

2. There is not one line in the Bible which says you can hit daughters. Although you may sell them and the owner may beat them.

I'm offline for a bit.

[LowOiL]

I get the distinct impression that many so-called "Christian churches" would run John the Baptist and Jesus out of church in a New York cocaine minute for not being politically correct enough, and being so mean-spirited.

I am afraid that most Christians forget that Christ was a man, not a woman... the shame of it... /end sarcasm...

[k2blader]

Okay, add also completely immature. But don't worry, we see this a lot from Keyes bashers. You just happen to be newer than most.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

Btw, I base my beliefs on the authority of Scripture.

What do you base your beliefs on?

[Rebelbase]

".I suppose you wouldn't approve of excommunication from the Church of an unrepentant sinner too?"

Poor analogy, IMO.

If Homsexuality is a disease then Jesus would love those afflicted like he did the lepers.

If Homosexuality is a choice then Jesus would love those who sin like he did the woman at the well.

[RockAgainsttheLeft04]

RE: "Hatred of homosexuals? I see a man the recognises God's law and loves his daughter enough to show her that he cares about how she lives in accordance to that law. Sometimes you have to do tough love."


That's probably because you've been brought up to hate, marginalize and repress homosexuals just as much as Mr. Keyes has. If I could, I'd bet you 1,000 dollars I can't afford that your parents hated homosexuals, your church preached hellfire against them, and your schoolyard friends used to rag on them. You think it's normal now for a man like Keyes to treat his own daughter like she was a dirty dog in the streets. She deserves to be ostracized because she's an evil, unrepentant sinner in your eyes. I don't blame you a bit for your indoctrination, but I'm eternally grateful to my parents that they raised me up with a respect for the individual above any petty sexual differences we might have.


RE: "I went through a stage of rebellion myself..."


The rest of your story is irrelevant to this discussion because Keyes daughter's sexuality isn't an act of "rebellion". What's your point?

[whatisthetruth]

You say you're a Christian but your language and attitude says different. It's your type of behavior that turn people off from true Christianity if in fact you really believe you're Christian.

You seem to have an underlying hostility for Keyes that has nothing to do with Christian interpretation of Scripture. God did not allow the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah to live in peace and harmony, and neither should we.

[ajr276]

But the solution is not to throw away less than perfect offspring. There is no Christianity in condemning sinners before judgment day. The Bible teaches us to reach out .. even when rejected. The primary job of Christians is to save souls.

Two thoughts...

1). Alan Keyes hasn't thrown away his daughter, but has stopped funding her education and housing. His daughter has stated her understanding of his position and it appears that his only "condemnation" came in an unwillingness to fund his daughter's lifestyle.

2). How does one save souls if people aren't made aware that their sin requires salvation?

[sofaman]

Judge Rightly?

What a smug response.

Like I said, before you start spouting long New Testament based rants, it is wise to consider that the recipient of the rant may not be of the same faith as you.

Having said that, please don't presume to lecture me about "Judging Rightly". I want no part of any religion that teaches me to kick my child out of the house. Neither have I seen a single quote that indicates that I should.

[Domestic Church]

"First thing the little darling does is go on CNN."

Sounds like some serious revenge. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.