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1 posted on 02/19/2005 4:43:17 AM PST by pookie18
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Everyone keeps talking about Hillary's stance on illegal immigration. What is it? I haven't heard. At this point, if she really is wanting to put a stop to it, she will have a LOT of people backing her. Something the Republicans had better acknowledge soon.


2 posted on 02/19/2005 4:44:55 AM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: pookie18; Howlin; Liz; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; Mudboy Slim

Wow...


3 posted on 02/19/2005 4:46:20 AM PST by Libloather (The left is dead! Long live their impeached *King and *Queen!)
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To: pookie18

Whooo Hooo!

If that should ever happen, I'm all for it.


4 posted on 02/19/2005 4:47:48 AM PST by Strutt9
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To: pookie18

It's between Condi and Colorado's Bill Owens...


5 posted on 02/19/2005 4:48:54 AM PST by Loud Mime
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To: pookie18

I thought Dick Cheney was president. ;-)

If this happens, the Dems will go nuts. For that reason, I would love to see it.


7 posted on 02/19/2005 4:50:37 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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I don't think this is good news. Sitting Vice Presidents are not good bets to win election on their own. I also think they they are sometimes tired after working in an administration for 8 years. I think it is best to make a clean break to another administration after 8 years, no matter how good it is. I think their are a Lot of baloney rumors flying around the beltway all the time perpetuated by people who should no better. I suspect and hope that this is one of them.
8 posted on 02/19/2005 4:54:02 AM PST by bilhosty
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A lot of guessing by the author of this article based on rumors.


9 posted on 02/19/2005 4:54:10 AM PST by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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Rumor


10 posted on 02/19/2005 4:57:10 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: pookie18

I've been wondering who among the Republicans would be a viable candidate in 08 since there's no heir apparent.

This scenario makes sense but there's one fly in the ointment. Condi's never been elected to office. Is there a precedence for someone (besides George Washington or maybe one of the very earliest Prez's) being elected with no previous elected office?


11 posted on 02/19/2005 4:58:24 AM PST by Arkie2
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I was concerned about the legality in regards to the Consitution and found that the matter was covered in full. Here are my references:

U.S. Constitution: Twenty-Fifth Amendment

Twenty-Fifth Amendment - Presidential Vacancy, Disability, and Inability

Amendment Text | Annotations  

Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principle officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

 

Annotations

Presidential Succession

The Twenty-fifth Amendment was an effort to resolve some of the continuing issues revolving about the office of the President; that is, what happens upon the death, removal, or resignation of the President and what is the course to follow if for some reason the President becomes disabled to such a degree that he cannot fulfill his responsibilities? The practice had been well established that the Vice President became President upon the death of the President, as had happened eight times in our history. Presumably, the Vice President would become President upon the removal of the President from office. Whether the Vice President would become acting President when the President became unable to carry on and whether the President could resume his office upon his recovering his ability were two questions that had divided scholars and experts. Also, seven Vice Presidents had died in office and one had resigned, so that for some twenty per cent of United States history there had been no Vice President to step up. But the seemingly most insoluble problem was that of presidential inability--Garfield lying in a coma for eighty days before succumbing to the effects of an assassin's bullet, Wilson an invalid for the last eighteen months of his term, the result of a stroke--with its unanswered questions: who was to determine the existence of an inability, how was the matter to be handled if the President sought to continue, in what manner should the Vice President act, would he be acting President or President, what was to happen if the President recovered. Congress finally proposed this Amendment to the States in the aftermath of President Kennedy's assassination, with the Vice Presidency vacant and a President who had previously had a heart attack.

This Amendment saw multiple use during the 1970s and resulted for the first time in our history in the accession to the Presidency and Vice-Presidency of two men who had not faced the voters in a national election. First, Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned on October 10, 1973, and President Nixon nominated Gerald R. Ford of Michigan to succeed him, following the procedures of Sec. 2 of the Amendment for the first time. Hearings were held upon the nomination by the Senate Rules Committee and the House Judiciary Committee, both Houses thereafter confirmed the nomination, and the new Vice President took the oath of office December 6, 1973. Second, President Richard M. Nixon resigned his office August 9, 1974, and Vice President Ford immediately succeeded to the office and took the presidential oath of office at noon of the same day. Third, again following Sec. 2 of the Amendment, President Ford nominated Nelson A. Rockefeller of New York to be Vice President; on August 20, 1974, hearings were held in both Houses, confirmation voted and Mr. Rockefeller took the oath of office December 19, 1974. 1  

Footnotes

[Footnote 1] For the legislative history, see S. Rep. No. 66, 89th Cong., 1st Sess. (1965); H.R. Rep. No. 203, 89th Cong., 1st Sess. (1965); H.R. Rep. No. 564, 89th Cong., 1st Sess. (1965). For an account of the history of the succession problem, see R. Silva, Presidential Succession (1951).

Source is FindLaw. Com

So anyway, this is a possibility as defined by the Constitution and a pefectly legitimate point for discussion.

What a B*tchslap for Hillary, as determined by the Constitution - lol!

15 posted on 02/19/2005 4:59:36 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: pookie18

whats wrong with Tom Ridge?


16 posted on 02/19/2005 4:59:41 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: pookie18

IIRC, Vice President Cheney stated exactly the opposite of this article's premise in a recent interview. He's here for the duration.


18 posted on 02/19/2005 5:02:47 AM PST by Quilla
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This scenario is nonsense.

GOP political leaders pull dumb moves sometimes, but they're not THIS dumb.

Leni

19 posted on 02/19/2005 5:02:49 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: pookie18

So they're going to force Cheney from office?


23 posted on 02/19/2005 5:08:26 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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It seems to me that a switch from Sec of State to VP is a demotion in many ways. Bush needs Rice in her current spot.


26 posted on 02/19/2005 5:13:09 AM PST by Monti Cello (We've got to move these refrigerators. We've got to move these color TVs.)
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Yes, Condi will replace Cheney and the President will nominate me for SOS. You heard it here first.

Junk rumors. Cheney isn't going anywhere and I'm getting tired of people trying to push him out the way they do Rummy. I can understand Libs wanting him out of the way, but conservatives need to stop allowing political analysis (IMO analysis that is on shaky ground) from influencing what is best for this country. Cheney is a wonderful VP and he's not going anywhere. IF Condi runs for President, she doesn't need VP to give her clout.


31 posted on 02/19/2005 5:18:08 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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Condi has brains and experience. And she's a lot easier on the eyes than the Hildebeast. David Geffen was right; all Hildy has going for her is ambition.


35 posted on 02/19/2005 5:20:14 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Senator, we can have this discussion in any way that you would like.")
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Democrat Party charged with the governance of this country for most of the twentieth century, discharged their duties poorly. They deserve the garbage pail of history, nothing more.


36 posted on 02/19/2005 5:21:09 AM PST by AlienCrossfirePlayer (Let's secure our borders.)
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Secretary Rice is, IIRC, pro-choice and pro-affirmative action. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

OTOH, she's still better than Hillary, and this pro-life anti-discrimination voter will pick the imperfect over the unendurable.

We have a good two years anyway before we need to pick the '08

41 posted on 02/19/2005 5:23:58 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Where's Ford Prefect when you want him?)
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Speculation - thy name is Wheeler.


42 posted on 02/19/2005 5:26:31 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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