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Design for Living: The Basis for a Design Theory of Origins
Discovery Institute ^ | February 7, 2005 | Michael Behe

Posted on 02/09/2005 7:55:00 PM PST by bondserv

Still, some critics claim that science by definition can't accept design, while others argue that science should keep looking for another explanation in case one is out there. But we can't settle questions about reality with definitions, nor does it seem useful to search relentlessly for a non-design explanation of Mount Rushmore. Besides, whatever special restrictions scientists adopt for themselves don't bind the public, which polls show, overwhelmingly, and sensibly, thinks that life was designed. And so do many scientists who see roles for both the messiness of evolution and the elegance of design.

(Excerpt) Read more at discovery.org ...


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KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; evolution; intelligentdesign; science
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To: bondserv

Thanks for the ping!


21 posted on 02/09/2005 8:32:49 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MacDorcha
And as I pointed out, abio-genesis is impossible. Where did these amino acids come from? When did they become living? We can't reproduce it in any "naturalistic" environment.

We can't reproduce it... yet. You just don't have faith in mankind's creativity and ingenuity, don't you?

23 posted on 02/09/2005 8:34:06 PM PST by Kurt_D
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To: R5D4

Please read post 19.


24 posted on 02/09/2005 8:35:34 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: Kurt_D

Not being able to reproduce it "yet" means we can't make it happen without engineering, which is what I state two lines later.

And if we have to be "creative" and have "ingenuity" wouldn't that STILL support that life HAS to be designed?

The only way science can even step up to the plate and take a true swing at the existance of something more than us is if they can present a case where life came from not only non-life, but also without planning.


25 posted on 02/09/2005 8:38:55 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: Kurt_D

Evolution is the fairy tale.

Which is more simplistic, to believe that something was created from nothing by nothing for nothing or that everything was created by SOMEONE? If creation is simplistic it is because evolution is impossible.

Has the scientific community been able to create on purpose what it claims was created by accident? The answer is clearly NO.

I watched a show about ocean searchs for ancient civilizations and the explorer said that the first thing that they look for when they examine underwater images is right angles because they don't exist naturally in nature. If right angles provide evidence for the existence of ancient civilizations then what are we if not evidence for a benevolent all-powerful creator?


26 posted on 02/09/2005 8:41:55 PM PST by killermosquito (Hillary, go back to the little rock you crawled out from under!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Poing.


27 posted on 02/09/2005 8:42:22 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: MacDorcha

Life came from non-life. Look it up. Anyway, it's common knowledge that amino acids can be produced in a lab. Amino acids are the building blocks of life since all of the approximately 40,000 different types of proteins found in the human body are made from only 20 amino acids. So, it is a matter of time before gen. engineers or biochemists will be able to create the first artificial cells.


28 posted on 02/09/2005 8:46:11 PM PST by Kurt_D
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To: killermosquito
Which is more simplistic, to believe that something was created from nothing by nothing for nothing or that everything was created by SOMEONE?

Prove the existence of that SOMEONE. ;)

29 posted on 02/09/2005 8:47:14 PM PST by Kurt_D
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To: Kurt_D

Again, yes, amino acids can be created. Is that life? NO!

If life came from non-life, please, show me.


30 posted on 02/09/2005 8:49:32 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: Kurt_D

"Prove the existence of that SOMEONE. ;)"

Prove life came from nothing.


31 posted on 02/09/2005 8:51:31 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: R5D4

Actually, yes it would. If you can show me life coming from nothing by a non-intelligent means, that would rock my world.


33 posted on 02/09/2005 8:56:20 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha
If life came from non-life, please, show me.

Look at the composition of the amino acids. By themselves they are not a living organism. So life is, in essence, made of non-life. Anyway, science has its boundaries. And this boundaries are constantly shifting as mankind is disovering and inveting. 100 years ago space travel was just a phantasy. I admit that biochemistry has it shortcomings because we are still in the process of learning and exploring.

34 posted on 02/09/2005 8:57:39 PM PST by Kurt_D
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To: MacDorcha

Science is a dynamic discipline. As I mentioned in a prior post, 100 years ago dreaming about space travel was a matter for sci-fi authors and lunatics. Same rules apply for advanced organic chemistry.


36 posted on 02/09/2005 9:00:15 PM PST by Kurt_D
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To: Kurt_D

"So life is, in essence, made of non-life. "

We've been here. We exist in the same realm as non-life. Congrats. Now get to answering my question: Can life COME from now-life (not be MADE OF, but COME from it.)?

"Anyway, science has its boundaries. And this boundaries are constantly shifting as mankind is disovering and inveting."

We could possibly invent life sometime in the future. You know what though? It still means life requires design to exist.


37 posted on 02/09/2005 9:02:18 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: R5D4

"ok..and I'll wait for Rapture."

According to science, the end of existance will come before life comes from nothing. So go ahead.


38 posted on 02/09/2005 9:03:35 PM PST by MacDorcha
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To: bondserv
Already posted and ripped to shreds.

Of course, we know who is responsible for Mount Rushmore, but even someone who had never heard of the monument could recognize it as designed.


40 posted on 02/09/2005 9:07:30 PM PST by MRMEAN
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