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On the 'sin' of sending kids to public school
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 2-6-05 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 02/06/2005 5:33:41 AM PST by FlyLow

The man who helped push the issue of public education onto the national agenda of the Southern Baptist Convention has written a new book that blows the lid off government schools, showing parents the kind of worldview and values their children are influenced by 180 days a year.

Bruce Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About Public Schools," presents myriad reasons why government institutions are failing America's children and thumbing their noses at parents with a religious worldview.

As WorldNetDaily reported, last year Shortt helped spearhead an unsuccessful effort to have the Southern Baptist Convention pass a resolution urging its members to remove their children from public school.

In "The Harsh Truth About Public Schools," Shortt, writing from a biblical perspective, presents rigorous research about the agenda and effect of government schooling on the nation's young people.

Shortt especially wants to educate Christian parents, millions of whom send their kids off to public school every day.

"Contrary to what many Christians have been led to believe, there is no such thing as a 'neutral' education," Shortt writes. "All education is religious and conveys a worldview, and there is no more important decision that we make as parents than how we educate our children."

Continues Shortt: "Unfortunately, Christian parents allow an aggressively anti-Christian institution to form the minds of their children, and the fruit of that choice is bitter. The overwhelming majority of children from evangelical families leave the church within two years after they graduate from high school; only 9 percent of evangelical teens believe that there is any such thing as absolute moral truth; and, our children are being forcibly indoctrinated to believe that homosexual behavior is acceptable."

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To: Katya
I live in a blue state, in a very blue county. My youngest child is in her second year at a public school, she's about to turn 11 years old.

Sounds like she has a great Mom. Certainly you can understand, though, why many of us think the odds are against her--and you. My own mother spent a great deal of her time at the board of education, when I was a child, identifying the neo-Marxist history textbooks and the literary drivel they had chosen to foist on us, and she spent a lot of time "un-teaching" us, but I don't think she even knew they were throwing condoms at us behind her back. You shouldn't have to negotiate with the district for your own child's soul--and that's literally what is at stake. As your child hits middle school, you are facing a stacked deck.
81 posted on 02/07/2005 2:35:56 PM PST by farmer18th
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82 posted on 02/07/2005 5:37:21 PM PST by Born Conservative (Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." - Richard Nixon)
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To: traviskicks

Any parent, regardless of religious belief, should be wary of public schools because they fail in what they are supposed to do: educated our kids.

That last part just doesn't sound grammatically correct.


83 posted on 02/07/2005 6:13:52 PM PST by moog
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To: Essie

Some parents I know are oblivious to what is happening in public schools. Others simply don't have the money to send their children to private schools. The government is taking their money and forcing them to use spend it on education as the government chooses.

Yes, I am a very bad, bad teacher. I only try to teach kids to rea and write. Oh yes, I try to teach them horrible things like respecting their parents, having strong families, being honest, working hard, workind with others, being nice, and so on and so on. Thank you for enlightening me on my evil ways.


84 posted on 02/07/2005 6:15:43 PM PST by moog
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To: nmh

Still ... you will hear, "THAT'S not happening in MY public school." The defiance of the parent is mindbogglingly.


Maybe that's because it might not really be happening there. Like other liberals, the ed-libs like to assume that if it's true in one place, it's true in every place and it's because EVERY teacher is bad. I don't necessarily take the comments of a biased media by someone with a political agenda against education as "gospel" fact (the biased media against the Iraq War come to mind or the Catholic Church scandal too...).


85 posted on 02/07/2005 6:20:31 PM PST by moog
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To: DaveTesla

Forgive me I mean no ham and only wish to enlighten you.
If these posters think there any match for the
deviousness used in the public schools to bring down our
country they have no idea what there up against.
Please read my above post.)Post #42
If they think there a match for a thousands of whacked leftist
psychologists and the leftist's that control our schools

This was NOT to me so I won't comment on it. BUT it should be harm, not ham, there should be a comma after country, it should be they're instead of there in two places, the leftists should not have an 's, and so on.


86 posted on 02/07/2005 6:22:57 PM PST by moog
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To: StarCMC

Although I graduated from a public high school, all but 2 years of my schooling were in "private" schools. I can uneqivocally say there was very little difference in what I had to deal with at Christian school as opposed to public. I love my parents, but they assumed (incorrectly) that they were protecting me by putting me in a Christian school. I knew where to get drugs in either institution had I wanted them, as well as any number of things. My point is: no school is the answer. Parent involvement is the answer, whether that takes the form of homeschooling or not. There are plenty of homeschooled kids I know that I would NOT want in my house. Their parents let them do whatever they want at home and so assume they can do the same in my house. They are little hellions. And there are plent of PS kids that I have worked with at AWANA's and Children's Choir at my church who behave entirely better. I'd take them anyday. All goes back to the beginning - the parents. I'm pinging a fellow HSer to this because she may have stuff to add!

Interesting. There are as many drugs at the Catholic high schools here as in the regular ones (at least that is the reputation). My public high school had a teen pregnancy rate of about 5%. The Christian one there had one of 50% (I guess they were multiplying AND replinishing).
The simple truth is is that it does all come down to parenting.


87 posted on 02/07/2005 6:25:22 PM PST by moog
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To: nmh

The problem is they are tested on their indoctrination. They are graded on their indoctrination. Their indoctrination becomes a part of them. The time they are in school is more than when they are with you. YOU lose from EVERY persepctive and as they get older you have less and less control.

My super-secret decoder ring helps me indoctinate the kids I teach to learn how to read and write and other terrible things like working hard, having strong families, respecting others, obeying parents, etc. Maybe I should turn it off.


88 posted on 02/07/2005 6:27:38 PM PST by moog
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To: Katya

That must be a state to state, and perhaps even local county issue. My daughter's public school had parents sign a permission slip for basic sex ed. I happen to live in a democratic stronghold...and there were quite a few kids whose parents opted out....and they weren't the few republicans either.

I wish more parents took the opportunity to review the material. My parents always did. Sometimes they let me go through the course, sometimes not. When they didn't, I got more homework done. In my elementary school, the maturation is taught by the parents to the fifth graders and the students and parents attend together.


89 posted on 02/07/2005 6:29:44 PM PST by moog
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To: moog

That last part just doesn't sound grammatically correct.
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I was edjumacated at a publik skrewl myself. :(


90 posted on 02/07/2005 6:42:40 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/blackconservatism.htm)
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To: traviskicks

I was edjumacated at a publik skrewl myself.

Hillbilly High.


91 posted on 02/07/2005 6:44:57 PM PST by moog
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To: Day Kay
Even though I agree with the status of public schools, I don't think Christians who send their kids to public schools are sinning - I think it is out of years of conditioning and ignorance rather than disobedience to God.

During the years of the Ottoman empire, Serbian subjects saw their sons conscripted into the ranks of the slave armies that ran the empire. Today's parents may believe they have no choice but to comply with the forced levy of the State. They have far less excuse for believing this than the Serbs.

The future of this country will either be shaped by the Statist T&G ("talented and gifted") janissaries, or by free thinkers raised in Christian homes.

92 posted on 02/07/2005 6:50:10 PM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: moog
"My super-secret decoder ring helps me indoctinate the kids I teach to learn how to read and write and other terrible things like working hard, having strong families, respecting others, obeying parents, etc. Maybe I should turn it off."

It is indoctrinate not indoctinate.
Your first sentence has more 25 words and is almost
illegible due to its run on.
It is completely unbalanced.
93 posted on 02/08/2005 2:14:05 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: moog
The problem is they are tested on their indoctrination.
They are graded on their indoctrination. Their
indoctrination becomes a part of them. The time they are in
school is more than when they are with you. YOU lose from
EVERY persepctive and as they get older you have less and
less control.


The problem is they are tested on their indoctrination.
This sentence is passive.

They are graded on their indoctrination.
This sentence is passive.

Consider revising these two passive and fragmented sentences to,
"The problem is they are tested and graded on their indoctrination."

******************************************************
YOU lose from EVERY persepctive and as they get older
you have less and less control.


In this sentence the word perspective is misspelled and
the comma after older is missing.

This sentence should read,
"YOU lose from EVERY perspective and as they get older, you
have less and less control."
94 posted on 02/08/2005 3:06:11 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: TomSmedley
"The future of this country will either be shaped by the Statist T&G ("talented and gifted") janissaries, or by free thinkers raised in Christian homes."

If the Status were so talented and gifted, why would they
have to resort to deviousness, evil acts, and controlling
mind games?
We call them the status quo.
Holding on to power or wealth without merit is where their
evil comes from.
Personally, I believe that the free thinkers are the ones
that are talented and gifted.
Free thinkers need to use their talents for good and not evil.
Since man has many problems discerning between good and
evil he must rely on the word of GOD for guidance.
95 posted on 02/08/2005 3:28:54 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla
If the Status were so talented and gifted, why would they have to resort to deviousness, evil acts, and controlling mind games?

When Prussia invented the modern "public" education system, conscripting children at bayonette point on occasion, they had a well-designed plan to provide docile cannon fodder and factory hands for the State -- that was the assigned destiny of 94% of the kids. By a variety of techniques, they were conditioned to focus on topics assigned by agents of the state. Every hour, a trumpet sounded, announcing that the topic was no longer worthy of consideration, and it was time to think about something else.

Another 4.5% of the kids went into "talented and gifted" programs designed to form them into the higher-end servitors of The State -- doctors, lawyers, accountants, professors, preachers.

Finally, the 1.5%, the children of the current ruling elite, got traditional liberal educations, centered on reading the great books, writing about great thoughts, and trying to apply the insights of the ages to contemporary issues.

Today's janissaries, today's "T&G" kids, may indeed be the glue that holds the empire together. However, they are still slaves.

96 posted on 02/08/2005 4:19:35 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: FlyLow
COULD THEY HAVE REALLY DONE IT ON PURPOSE?
97 posted on 02/08/2005 6:03:24 AM PST by paltz
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To: DaveTesla

It is indoctrinate not indoctinate.
Your first sentence has more 25 words and is almost
illegible due to its run on.
It is completely unbalanced.

Ummm...that was a typo. A run-on sentence often has a lot of ands. That one is not a run-on sentence. As for being grammatically correct, you better look at your second sentence here.


98 posted on 02/08/2005 10:05:44 AM PST by moog
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To: DaveTesla
The problem is they are tested on their indoctrination. They are graded on their indoctrination. Their indoctrination becomes a part of them. The time they are in school is more than when they are with you. YOU lose from EVERY persepctive and as they get older you have less and less control. The problem is they are tested on their indoctrination. This sentence is passive. They are graded on their indoctrination. This sentence is passive. Consider revising these two passive and fragmented sentences to, "The problem is they are tested and graded on their indoctrination." ****************************************************** YOU lose from EVERY persepctive and as they get older you have less and less control. In this sentence the word perspective is misspelled and the comma after older is missing. This sentence should read, "YOU lose from EVERY perspective and as they get older, you have less and less control." Sorry bud, I didn't write that.
99 posted on 02/08/2005 10:08:35 AM PST by moog
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To: moog

You had me laughing ... a "biased media"?

LOL!!!

The media is biased but not in the direction you imply.

Believe whatever you wish!


100 posted on 02/09/2005 8:59:00 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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