Posted on 02/05/2005 5:26:32 AM PST by SLB
BROWNSTOWN, Ind. — Two men have been charged in connection with the abduction and slaying of a 10-year-old girl whose body was found in a creek, authorities said. Charles Hickman, 20, charged with murder and criminal confinement in the death of Katlyn Collman, told investigators her abduction was intended to scare the girl into keeping quiet about methamphetamine activities in her neighborhood, prosecutors said.
The suspect did not speak to reporters as he was led into a courthouse for a hearing Friday. Another man, Timothy C. O'Sullivan (search), 22, was awaiting a hearing Friday on charges he allegedly gave false information to officers investigating the case.
Court documents filed by prosecutors said that Collman drowned about 15 miles from her hometown of Crothersville. Her body was found Sunday and she had last been seen five days earlier as she walked three blocks home from an errand to buy toilet paper. Hickman told investigators that Collman was brought to his home by the residents of an apartment near the store where she had shopped, the documents alleged. He said the residents were worried Collman had seen them producing or using methamphetamine and that she might tell others what she had seen, according to the documents. "They decided to scare her with the hope that she would be intimidated enough to keep her observations to herself," FBI gent James Kouns wrote in an affidavit.
Prosecutors allege that Hickman tied the girl's hands behind her back. Hickman first told investigators the girl tried to run away and fell into the creek, but also said he might have "bumped" her into the water. Prosecutors had not decided whether to seek the death penalty against Hickman.
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Neither would I...which is why I didn't.
A poster claimed that the only way to curb the spread of Meth use was to reduce the available pool of users. I agreed, and suggested that drug treatment could help in that regard.
At no point was I referring to the criminals in this news story.
Relax.
Rush is an addict, he sought treatment, and his recovery seems to be doing well.
If it worked for him, perhaps it could work for other addicts. That's all.
The newspaper in Indianapolis won't allow linking on FR.
"I could lean libertarian when it comes to pot --- but when the pro-drug side comes on here and claims meth would be safe if only all drugs were made legal, I go into reverse on the libertarian thing. You can tell by looking at them that meth addicts are unsafe"
I prefer the libertarian solution, but you can't do it half way. The libertarian solution is that you pay for your own idiocy, that means locking up thieves and those responsible for assault, which coincidentally also gets rid of the druggies. And it also means no welfare, if you are a druggie you starve or go to jail. The full libertarian approach is just as hard on miscreants as the conservative approach, but what you have now is both approaches being watered down by social workers and welfare subsidies.
Exactly. I really don't have a problems with drugs being legal but I do have a problem with it as a first step.
Make getting rid of welfare and drug addiction as a SS disability a first priority and the rest would follow.
"which is why I didn't."
Sorry to mis-interpret your statement. I must say though, I still wonder if Rush was really an addict, or just another under-treated pain sufferer.
Yes I agree --- Socialism mixed with libertarianism doesn't work at all. End welfare, let people starve to death or beg for their free food would work. So would giving addicts unlimited quantities to their favorite addictive drug. Allowing meth addicts a non-stop supply would quickly remove them from society.
Probably the ingredients in meth make it extra bad as a drug. I can't imagine someone in their right mind starting with something like meth in the first place --- unless they have no idea of the chemicals making it up.
"I can't imagine someone in their right mind starting with something like meth in the first place..."
I doubt that meth is ever a "gateway" drug.
But you know, I wonder about this stuff, it seems like a lot of it is just advanced huffing, just ingesting any old chemical to get wasted. I don't think it is real methedrine at all.
"Socialism mixed with libertarianism doesn't work at all. "
It doesn't mix with conservatism either. Both conservatism and libertarianism are negative feedback systems, negative rewards for bad behavior. Liberalism rewards bad behavior with "tolerance", welfare, subsidies - it is an explosive positive feedback system.
Yes you're probably right. I don't really know --- I guess you'd have to be already kind of far gone to associate with meth addicts for friends in the first place. When I see them, they look like someone I wouldn't really want to party with. Lately we've had quite a few bad fires --- apartment buildings and hotel rooms from meth lab explosions --- so I wouldn't want them for neighbors either.
There probably are many kind of addicts. Those who find some real relief from some real physical pain, those who are finding relief from some real emotional pain, those who are more physically addicted, those who are more psychologically addicted.
A family member was probably technically an alcoholic -- according to his wife --- but never a drunk. He would wake up in the morning, first thing take a shot of whiskey. Throughout the day he took a small shot now and then and it was the last thing at night. Sometimes but not always waking up once and taking a sip. He carried a small bottle in his boot and a bigger one in the trunk of his car --- he never had the appearance of being drunk in any way and his wife swears he was never drunk --- just dependent on that small dose of whiskey -- a low but steady level in his blood at all times. He lived a long life, held one job his whole working life, raised his kids well and never had a problem.
My wife's best childhood friend turned from a responsible mother of three to a degenerate crank-addicted loser.
It happens. You can't predict it. You can't really stop it (God knows how hard my wife tried to help).
I don;t know if I should pity or hate these people, but ultimately, I just want them to get help.
Seems like a very prolife area--except for the meth freaks.
I suppose the best thing would be to end all other welfare programs --- but maybe offer one chance at rehab. Jail time to clear the mind first sometimes helps. Wasting tax dollars on rehab that happens over and over isn't helping anything at all.
Agreed. I like the Drug Court model (non-violent drug offenders are diverted from jail to rehab. The drug-court judge determines how to handle recitivists on a case-by-case basis).
Honestly, I don't know what the solution is...but we'd better start working on it. This problem is growing and MUST be addressed.
It is. There is a Lutherans for Life billboard on US 50 nearby.
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