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LIVE THREAD: WA State Court Hearing on Rossi/Gregoire Governors Race
KING5 TV ^

Posted on 02/04/2005 11:21:16 AM PST by SW6906

Live discussion of the hearings in Chelan County on Dems motions to dismiss the Rossi con test of the governors election. King5.com is streaming live!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: christinethecommie; christinethecrook; christinethethief; democratscheat; electionfraud; fraudoire; gregoire; iseedeadpeople; kingcounty; notmygovernor; recount; revote; rossi; sovietofkingcounty; stealingelections; thefixwasin; theft; themostcorruptstate; votecriminals; voterobbers; votestealers; votetheft
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To: SW6906

scum bag haywire!...good luck skank!...you will need it!


701 posted on 02/05/2005 12:05:20 AM PST by Route101
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To: torridjoe
What I am saying is that there you had a case that, despite a secret ballot system, the court came to know the identity of the cast ballot in 46 cases. So the RCW by definition cannot be setting an "impossible" standard, since the standard of being able to count illegal votes for one candidate or another was in fact ment.

It seems you keep attempting to use the fact that they were able to know the identity of 46 as evidence that there must be a process of identifying secret ballots or else there couldn't be a standard for discovering the identity of secret ballots, and the fact that neither Rossi or you has been able to discover this secret process is incidental.

I don't know Faulkes from a hole in my floor, but I think I'll wait for the rest of the story on this one.

702 posted on 02/05/2005 1:16:18 AM PST by 4woodenboats (I see Dead People - and they're voting in Seattle!! Rossi in 2005!)
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To: torridjoe

Could you please clear something up for me?

It involves the 300+ provisional ballots that were counted despite their not having been verified for elligibility.

Do the counties have the empty envelopes that supposedly went with those improperly tallied ballots? If they DO, then the counties would have at least been able to do after-the-fact verification. In that case, do you know what % of them were eventually verified as legitimate voters?

But, if they DO NOT have the empty provisional envelopes, then there is no possible way to determine the elligibility of those ballots. They will have bypassed the verification process that was required of all other voters.

Could the second scenario form a basis for claiming all voters were not treated equally?


703 posted on 02/05/2005 3:43:18 AM PST by Timeout (Dems have been saying no for 10 years. Now they can SCREAM it.)
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To: 4woodenboats; torridjoe; Hostage; Splatter
What it comes down to is torridjoe believes the law only allows for illegal votes to contest an election in the case where those illegal votes can be individually identified and segregated from the rest of the ocean of secret ballots. Foulkes happened to be a case of that becuase the ballots were added after the count and could be readily identified and removed from the pile, IIRC.

Under this interpretation of that clause of the law, the only time you can contest based on illegal votes is when you catch someone red-handed stuffing the ballot box and you can identify and remove the ballots they stuffed!! Do you realize how exceedingly rare that is? That is why many, many of us disagree with torridjoe on this point as the rest of the contest statute and other election law doesn't set impossibly high standards like that, so why would this one?

And, it appears the judge agrees at least somewhat based on his ruling yesterday.........

704 posted on 02/05/2005 4:53:48 AM PST by SW6906
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To: Route101

WTF?


705 posted on 02/05/2005 5:00:25 AM PST by SW6906
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To: Hostage

I was thinking last night the Reps should do surveys of "who would you vote for" in State prison. I bet they go Dem at a huge rate.


706 posted on 02/05/2005 6:38:12 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: GretchenM

Thanks for the ping.


707 posted on 02/05/2005 7:55:48 AM PST by ride the whirlwind
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To: The SISU kid

It would appear that Dino Rossi possesses a goodly amount of SISU, wouldn't it?


708 posted on 02/05/2005 7:59:34 AM PST by ride the whirlwind
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To: All

Well, if you thought you were confused about the outcome of yesterday's hearings, you'll get precious little comfort from this excerpt from Chris Vance's news update:

Chelan proceeding results:


On the motion of Venue (keep or move location of the trial)—Judge agrees with GOP- stays in Chelan County.

On the motion of jurisdiction (court or Legislature)- Judge agrees with GOP-stays in Court.

On motion that the filing of WSRP case was not timely- Judge agrees with GOP- Filing was timely.

On several motions to dismiss the case in relation to illegal or improper votes and voters- Judge agrees with GOP- denies dismissal.

On the motion of court authority to rule for a Re-Vote- Judge opposes GOP-says he has no authority to order a special election.

We are unsure of the implications of these rulings taken together. We will consult with our lawyers and keep you updated!


709 posted on 02/05/2005 8:22:50 AM PST by rockrr (Revote or Revolt! It's up to you Washington!)
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To: mdittmar

Next day reply ;) I think all in all the dems hav a VERY bad day, no matter their spin, and that we had a pretty good one. My only gripe is that a new vote in November should be between those two candidates, as a run-off, not an open contest. The seems very a strange idea.


710 posted on 02/05/2005 9:46:10 AM PST by Libertina (CPAC here we come! Send me your FR photos for CPAC!)
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To: Timeout

I spoke with King official Bobbie Egan on this. They say they have been able to verify 252 of the 348 as valid voters. That appears to be as many as they could do; they said they were not attempting further reconciliation at this time.

So they validated about 75%, compared to an overall validation rate of around 87% countywide.


711 posted on 02/05/2005 9:47:07 AM PST by torridjoe
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To: ride the whirlwind
It would appear that Dino Rossi possesses a goodly amount of SISU, wouldn't it?

kyllä

8^)

712 posted on 02/05/2005 10:23:25 AM PST by The SISU kid (You Don't tan in Washington State, you RUST...)
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To: The SISU kid

LOL Washingtonians coming out of the woodwork! Greetings, SISU :)


713 posted on 02/05/2005 8:05:23 PM PST by Libertina (CPAC here we come! Send me your FR photos for CPAC!)
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To: Baynative

YES! They're finally wearing ORANGE!!!


714 posted on 02/07/2005 3:59:41 PM PST by dangus
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Striker, Striker...

Two points for inserting an "Airplane" reference into this farce.


715 posted on 02/07/2005 4:14:28 PM PST by dangus
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To: Political Junkie Too

Sounds like you have a good thread there with that story. Why not post?


716 posted on 02/07/2005 4:15:25 PM PST by dangus
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To: lonevoice

I think the point is that the Republicans get an evidentiary hearing by a respectably friendly judge. He will be able to find in favor of Rossi, then pass the case up to the Supreme Court, which will have to decide whether the Chelan judge interpreted the law correctly and whether to order a new election as a redress, but the Washington Supreme Court would not be able to conduct a new evidentiary hearing.

Score a victory for Republicans.


717 posted on 02/07/2005 4:25:33 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
It's already been posted as news when it happened.

-PJ

718 posted on 02/07/2005 5:56:12 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yeah... I actually got pinged to it just today, and didn't realize it was days-old news. That's why I didn't find the other article; I didn't look back far enough.


719 posted on 02/07/2005 9:39:45 PM PST by dangus
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