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Nissan Chief: Hybrid Cars Make No Sense
Reuters ^ | Sat Jan 29, 2005 07:44 PM ET

Posted on 01/31/2005 8:17:49 PM PST by newgeezer

NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - The head of Nissan Motor Co., breaking ranks with some of his leading rivals, said on Saturday that building fuel-sipping hybrid vehicles makes little sense in today's world because of their high costs.

"They make a nice story, but they're not a good business story yet because the value is lower than their costs," said Nissan Chief Executive Carlos Ghosn.

Nissan will, in fact, start manufacturing a gas-electric hybrid version of its Altima sedan for the U.S. market in 2006.

But Ghosn said the model was only intended to help Japan's second-largest automaker comply with strict fuel economy and emissions standards in states like California, not because he expects it to be a money-maker.

Nissan will license some technology for the hybrid Altima from Toyota Motor Corp., which is the world leader in hybrid production along with Honda Motor Co. Ltd.

The hybrids made by Toyota and Honda are in high demand, but production levels are still relatively small.

Toyota plans to nearly double production of its hybrid Prius car for the U.S. market this year, with production totaling some 100,000 vehicles.

Ford Motor Co. is alone among U.S. automakers in producing mass-market hybrid models; Ford recently announced plans to introduce four new models between this year and 2008.

Ghosn's comments, which are likely to draw criticism from environmental groups, came in an address to the National Automobile Dealers Association, which opened its annual convention in New Orleans on Saturday.

In his speech, he noted that only about 88,000 of the 16.9 million light vehicles sold in the United States last year were hybrids, adding that they are still considered "niche" products and something way outside the automotive mainstream.

He also poured cold water on hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, which many automakers see as the industry's next big technological breakthrough.

"The cost to build one fuel cell car is about $800,000. Do the math and you figure out that we will have to reduce the cost of that car by more than 95 percent in order to gain widespread marketplace acceptance," Ghosn said.

Ghosn, who is credited with a dramatic turnaround at Nissan, is poised to take over as chief executive at France's Renault SA in May.

His future role, simultaneously running operations at two major automakers, is thought to be an industry first.

Nissan -- owned 44 percent by Renault -- scored the biggest sales jump of any major car maker in the United States last year, with a 24 percent surge to 986,000 vehicles.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Japan; US: California; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: automakers; automobiles; autos; cars; energy; environment; honda; hybrid; hybrids; insight; nissan; prius; toyota
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To: Elsie

"What is this fascination with encumbering everything with law?
Because the Villagers haven't enough sense to do what is needed."

If you don't trust the people, why not get Congress to elect a new People?


201 posted on 05/24/2005 6:52:14 AM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: No.6

They're workin' on it!


202 posted on 05/24/2005 1:31:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Wiseghy

How good are those battery carts in a collision??


Any specs yet??


203 posted on 05/24/2005 1:33:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: College Repub

move to Phoenix and slap a bunch of solar cells on one, and I might consider it. Right now I see them as the "Stanley Steamer" of our day.

It may be a good investment someday, but the technology is just not there yet.


204 posted on 05/24/2005 1:37:22 PM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: Elsie

" How good are those battery carts in a collision??


Any specs yet??"

None that I know of, but the batteries are buried pretty deep in into the chassis, along the bottom of the car, way past the crumple zones. You'd have to hit it pretty hard (35+mph, my guess based on how my old Acura got totaled) to crush them.


205 posted on 05/27/2005 1:18:19 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("Sometimes you're windshield, sometimes you' re the bug")
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To: Wiseghy

Oh, not to crush THEM, but to have the BATTERIES CRUSH another tincan car!


206 posted on 06/04/2005 4:44:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: LizardQueen
To me, anything that gets us to conserve fuel so we can tell the Saudis and the rest of the oil-saturated Islamic nutjob world to eat their oil is alright by me, whether it be diesel, hybrids, hydraulic hybrids, electric, horses, bikes, or walking....

I compuhletely agree with ya
208 posted on 11/11/2005 10:06:32 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: TapTheSource

I like what Brock Yates called them in a Car and Driver a few months back:

The Toyota Pious.


209 posted on 11/11/2005 10:09:13 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Paradox

My husbamd's Toyota Tercel get 45mph on the freeway. Why would I want to pay so much for a hybrid?


210 posted on 11/11/2005 10:10:20 PM PST by pbear8 (France is guilty of regicide)
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To: Cobra64

You lucky guy. What I wouldn't do to have enough money to buy one of those things for my husband. His dream car.


Someday.


211 posted on 11/11/2005 10:11:28 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: SVTCobra03
Show me a hybrid car that go under 12 seconds in the quarter mile, has aggresive styling and a throaty exhaust and then I might consider one.

Err.. you aren't the target customer for such a fuel-economy vehicle (neither am I for that matter), but if there are people who don't want speed, power, styling and just want something fuel efficient and that screams out environment friendly, why not let them have it? As long as they don't gloat all the time, big deal.
212 posted on 11/11/2005 10:16:33 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: ScottFromSpokane
He's right. I tried having a conversation with a hybrid car and it was utterly incoherent.

The only device coherent enough to have a meaningful conversation with is a laser.

Mark

213 posted on 11/11/2005 10:20:03 PM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: newgeezer
Ghosn, who is credited with a dramatic turnaround at Nissan, is poised to take over as chief executive at France's Renault SA in May. His future role, simultaneously running operations at two major automakers, is thought to be an industry first. Nissan -- owned 44 percent by Renault -- scored the biggest sales jump of any major car maker in the United States last year, with a 24 percent surge to 986,000 vehicles.

Since Renault is French (or I think it is), I will not be buying any Nissans.

I try not to profit the friend of my enemy or my enemy. (BTW, don't buy Chinese.)

214 posted on 11/11/2005 10:20:19 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Boiler Plate

Those $8 or $9 are worth a lot more in China than in the US due to PPP: goods and services that would cost at least I'd reckon $80/$90 could be obtained in China for the yuan equivalent of $8/$9


215 posted on 11/11/2005 10:24:51 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: pbear8

"My husbamd's Toyota Tercel get 45mph on the freeway. Why would I want to pay so much for a hybrid?"

I really love getting caught behind a riceburner doing 45mph on a 65-70mph speed limit freeway.


216 posted on 11/11/2005 10:25:54 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight

OK, so I meant 45 miles per gallon! Nice catch.


217 posted on 11/11/2005 10:27:41 PM PST by pbear8 (France is guilty of regicide)
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To: discostu

Not Useless. Note how far fuel-saving technology has gone since the early 70s. Yes, perhaps hybrids aren't the way of the future, but unless people take the drive and say let's do something about it, fuel efficiency's not going to happen.


218 posted on 11/11/2005 10:29:46 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Richard Kimball

Yeah, but we know Barbra is so full of it she overloads her Depends so give her a break.


219 posted on 11/11/2005 10:30:37 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: pbear8

Just kidding you.


220 posted on 11/11/2005 10:30:52 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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