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Immigration Could Break GOP Majority (Rush Limbaugh Slams Open Borders Lobby Alert)
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 01/28/05 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 01/28/2005 2:58:05 PM PST by goldstategop

RUSH: Condoleezza Rice was officially sworn in today at the State Department, and President Bush was there. She was sworn in, by the way, by Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg, and the president had some interesting things to say to the State Department staff on the day after Condi threw down the gauntlet to the State Department staff, and I would like for you to hear what President Bush said. We have three bites. The first bite here, he rattles the liberals and the State Department bureaucrats by declaring that freedom is on the march.

PRESIDENT BUSH: On Sunday, the Iraqi people will be joining millions in other parts of the world who now decide their future through free votes. In Afghanistan, the people have voted in the first free presidential elections in that nation's 5,000-year history. The people of Ukraine have made clear their own desire for democracy. The Palestinians have just elected a new president, who has repudiated violence. Freedom is on the march and the world is better for it (Applause).

RUSH: Yes, yes. There was some applause there at the State Department. Here's more from the president.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Widespread hatred and radicalism cannot survive the advent of freedom and self-government.

RUSH: Stop the tape! That includes the American Democratic Party, ladies and gentlemen.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Our nation will be more secure. The world will be more peaceful, as freedom advances. Condi Rice understands that -- and the terrorists understand that as well, and that is why they are now attacking Iraqi civilians in an effort to sabotage elections. We applaud the courage of ordinary Iraqis, for their refusal to surrender their future to these killers. No nation can build a safer and better world alone. The men and women of the State Department are doing a fine job of working with other nations to build on the momentum of freedom.

RUSH: The president now mentions in the final bite -- we have some of the issues that matter at the State Department, AIDS, fighting disease, and then tells them that they have a Secretary of State who has character and wisdom.

PRESIDENT BUSH: In the coming months and years, we must stop the proliferation of dangerous weapons and materials. We must safeguard and expand the freedom of international marketplace and free trade. We must advance justice and fundamental human rights. We must fight HIV/AIDS and other diseases, and reduce poverty. Each task will require good relations with nations around the world, and each will require a secretary who will lead by character and conviction and wisdom. To meet these times and tasks, America has its best in Dr. Condoleezza Rice, now Secretary Condoleezza Rice, our 66th Secretary of State. (Applause).

RUSH: Right on! Right on! Right on! Right on! There you have it. So that was the president at the State Department today. Now, ladies and gentlemen, I don't want to throw cold water on anything here but I have to address this. I saw a story today that just boggles my mind. You know I'm very optimistic about the future. You know my thoughts about what's happening to the left and how they're imploding and so forth, but there are risks that accompany this implosion. When your opponent is destroying himself, the tendency is to get out of the way and let him do so. But unless you take advantage of the opportunity to plant your own roots, so that your ideals and principles grow in the future, you're just waiting for your own implosion to take place.

And as I look out there across the great wide spectrum that is this country and its electoral politics, you look at things -- realistically here, not looking for negativism, just looking realistically, things --- that might present a problem to the good guys, the conservatives, the Republicans in all this. And to me, there's one issue out there -- well, maybe two. Spending. This is something and I'm glad to see the president finally trying to get hold of it, but there's one real issue here that could break up the so-called Republican-conservative coalition, and that is immigration.

If something is not done, my friends, it simply is untenable. We cannot maintain our sovereignty without securing and protecting our borders. We simply can't. Not in an era where terrorists around the world seek entry to this country to attack from within. It is simply something -- you know, all these arguments that we've heard, "Well, you got to let immigrants in because they'll do jobs that the American people don't want to do," and there was a time I believed that. There was a time economically that that was persuasive with me. But I think it's gotten to the point here where it runs the risk of defining downward a whole lot of pay scales on different jobs simply because we'll let people who will do it for next to nothing into the country do it, then it ends up depressing various pay scales or can if something's not done about this. There were two things recently that sent me to this. I've got one of them in my hand here. The other one, we laughed about it, but when the story cleared the wires that these 30 Hollywood people, these actors, writers and producers, tried to make the case that illegals ought to be given driver's licenses. What good are our laws? If we're going to send people to jail for avoiding taxes, for breaking the law, whatever we send them to jail for, why don't we look askance at people violating immigration law? And say, "Well, there's nothing we can do about it. We're just going to grant them temporary status and give them a chance to be good citizens and eventually become full-fledged."

You see, these Hollywood people out there, they would revolt, they would literally revolt if the immigrants became camera operators and writers and producers for two bucks an hour. They wouldn't put up with that for a minute, or actors for minimum wage, but let them come in as caterers and limo drivers and nannies or whatever else the Hollywood people want them for and then it's perfectly fine for them to be illegal.

Now, get this story. This story comes today from the San Francisco Chronicle. At least that's where I found it. "Foreign Secretary Says Mexico May Ask International Courts to Block Proposition 200 -- Mexico may turn to international courts in efforts to block a new Arizona law limiting services to undocumented aliens, said Mexican foreign secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez. He said this on Wednesday on an interview on W radio, that Mexico might take such a step after it's exhausted all possibilities under US law to halt Prop 200." Now, these are not the first of these kinds of stories. It's just the latest, where the Mexican government is attacking the United States for enforcing our own immigration laws against its illegal citizens, entering our country illegally.

"Mexico's foreign department lawmakers have repeatedly complained about Prop 200 which took effect this week. It requires proof of citizenship to vote or to receive state benefits and Mexico is demanding that international courts overturn this." Mexico is essentially sending illegal citizens, its own citizens, to this country illegally and now attempting, through international courts, to stop us from enforcing our own laws!

Now, I'm going to tell you something, folks. This issue, if not handled properly by this administration, it could be the issue that severs the existing Republican coalition and could see to it to create the rise of a new Perot or somebody, where a president only needs to get 43% of the vote to win, a'la Bill Clinton, because some of the Republican coalition breaks away and votes for the newcomer. This is the issue that could cause that to happen if they're not careful.


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Rush slammed the Open Borders Lobby hard today. My favorite Maha Rushie Quote:

"If something is not done, my friends, it simply is untenable. We cannot maintain our sovereignty without securing and protecting our borders. We simply can't. Not in an era where terrorists around the world seek entry to this country to attack from within. It is simply something -- you know, all these arguments that we've heard, "Well, you got to let immigrants in because they'll do jobs that the American people don't want to do," and there was a time I believed that. There was a time economically that that was persuasive with me. But I think it's gotten to the point here where it runs the risk of defining downward a whole lot of pay scales on different jobs simply because we'll let people who will do it for next to nothing into the country do it, then it ends up depressing various pay scales or can if something's not done about this. There were two things recently that sent me to this. I've got one of them in my hand here. The other one, we laughed about it, but when the story cleared the wires that these 30 Hollywood people, these actors, writers and producers, tried to make the case that illegals ought to be given driver's licenses. What good are our laws? If we're going to send people to jail for avoiding taxes, for breaking the law, whatever we send them to jail for, why don't we look askance at people violating immigration law? And say, "Well, there's nothing we can do about it. We're just going to grant them temporary status and give them a chance to be good citizens and eventually become full-fledged."

We have to protect our borders. The world's changed since 9/11. If we make an exception for illegal aliens - why have laws? And what's the point in maintaining our national sovereignty? The apologists for illegal immigration don't get the mood of the American people. The agenda of the Open Borders Lobby is more than a license for social dissolution folks - its a recipe for blowing up the GOP majority coalition. That's why they must be stopped. Thanks to Rush today for laying it all out with his usual inspired brilliance. Its all about the future of conservatism.

Denny Crane: "I want two things. First God and then Fox News."

1 posted on 01/28/2005 2:58:07 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


2 posted on 01/28/2005 3:02:43 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: goldstategop
We cannot maintain our sovereignty without securing and protecting our borders. We simply can't. Not in an era where terrorists around the world seek entry to this country to attack from within.

Exactly right, El Rushbo.

Roughly 60,000 illegal immigrants designated as 'other-than-Mexican,' or OTMs, were detained last year along the U.S.-Mexico border, including a sizable number from Arab and Muslim countries.

3 posted on 01/28/2005 3:05:44 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: goldstategop

Thousands of honest Americans decry the illegals situation here in the U.S. but it's not until some actors stand up for the illegals that Rush sees the light?


4 posted on 01/28/2005 3:05:55 PM PST by raybbr
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To: goldstategop
It's about time some of the big national talkers got on this. I agree 100% with Rush.

I am sad to say that I see a National Identity card on the horizon for immigration and voting. It's become too loosey-goosey.

And stop being so nice with Mexico. If they don't control their borders, kill NAFTA and lock the border economically, bringing those crooked Politicians to their knees.
5 posted on 01/28/2005 3:06:52 PM PST by llevrok (Don't blame me, I voted for Pedro!)
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To: raybbr

Rush was probably waiting until after the election to express his true sentiments.


6 posted on 01/28/2005 3:07:32 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: llevrok

Yup - NID is the way to go - only way to avoid the "Matricula Consular" madness, and so on. Privacy issues will be marginal - after all, does the government really have a problem finding regular Joes today?


7 posted on 01/28/2005 3:09:09 PM PST by dob
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To: Mr. Mojo
It's been three months since the election. I am glad that Rush is speaking up and so has Laura Ingraham.

If you want to hear someone really talk about this issue listen to Micheal Savage. Sometimes he's a little off but his "borders, language and culture" mantra is what more Americans need to hear.

This issue has been around for four years but it's not until Rush can get a dig at some actors that he speaks up. Just like the rest of the GOP.

8 posted on 01/28/2005 3:14:12 PM PST by raybbr
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To: Mr. Mojo

Why not consider statehood for Mexico. We would have free access to their oil reserves.


9 posted on 01/28/2005 3:17:48 PM PST by Mulch
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To: goldstategop

OMG thank you God, Rush is finally on board with us. Maybe the ball can finally get rolling.


10 posted on 01/28/2005 3:18:15 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: Mr. Mojo

Thank you again Rush!! God Bless.
We need more people like him on our side.


11 posted on 01/28/2005 3:21:00 PM PST by stopem
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To: raybbr
Rush has lost his edge. Sorry, but it has been more and more evident lately.

Without going into what was wrong with the State Department, quotes, I will focus on what we all basically agree with, so far on this thread: That we need to protect our borders. But Rush takes a great deal of the force out of his comments by putting the greatest emphasis on Republican politics. I have no problem with his pointing out to fellow Republicans, how clear is our interest as a party. But he would have more credibility with everyone else, as well as with most Republicans, who certainly put America before any political party, if he made the main emphasis on America's interest--on the continuity of American civilization and cultural forms, as well as American security, etc..

See Immigration & The American Future.

William Flax

12 posted on 01/28/2005 3:23:35 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: goldstategop

Except for border towns, how feasible is it to fence the border ? Just a matter of $$ ? Getting to sound like a requirement IMHO.


13 posted on 01/28/2005 3:24:05 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: McGruff; malia

A Rush ping.


14 posted on 01/28/2005 3:24:15 PM PST by Springman
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To: Mulch
Why not consider statehood for Mexico

That'd be one populous state (100 million+ people). And how many electoral votes does that translate into, over 100? Whichever candidate won "Old Mexico" would win the election, in all liklihood. I don't like the idea of giving that much power to a people from an alien (third world) culture.

15 posted on 01/28/2005 3:26:17 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: goldstategop
Get ready for all the RINOs here to start whining about how Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread "How dare Rush say something like this, why us RINOs need to keep kissing his ass even though America is being overrun with illegals". If Bush is serious about our security quit the doublespeak and get tough on the border. Doesn't require extra manpower or high tech solutions. Three simple things (in fact the third is somewhat optional):
1) Take away ALL benefits
2) Penalize employers who hire
3) Build a wall like Israel has done

THIS WILL WORK AND SAVE THE TAXPAYER BILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR. But of course Bush has already promised our sovereignty to Mexico and cheap labor for business.
16 posted on 01/28/2005 3:27:25 PM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: goldstategop

I don't think that Bush's plans include either "amnesty" or "open borders," and I think people in border states are being heavily manipulated by the Dems (many of whom post on FR).

However, I think that one thing that should be done is tough talk with Mexico, which is a Socialist Paradise hellhole - in other words, an oligarchy, because socialist paradises benefit only the rich. But Fox is going around forming alliances with all of the leftist countries in South America (Brazil, Argentina, Chile and, now, Ecuador) and the hard left Spanish PM, Zapatero (who has announced the creation of a "progressivist" axis of those countries and Spain, France and Germany).

So I think this has got to move way beyond border concerns. One of the problems is that the people who are opposing Bush's policies actually probably couldn't even identify them and are being manipulated by the Dem press; the other is that there is a serious problem south of our border, and immigrants are only a symptom of it. I hope Rice pays more attention to this than Powell did.


17 posted on 01/28/2005 3:30:23 PM PST by livius
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To: Mr. Mojo
Split it up into several states then. Statehood for Mexico does have some benefits though that are worth considering. It would give our law enforcement agencies more ability to control the drug cartels. Mexicans are also generally Christian conservatives which is an added plus.
18 posted on 01/28/2005 3:30:24 PM PST by Mulch
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To: goldstategop

Rush is surprisingly late in seeing the light, but it's good he finally did.


19 posted on 01/28/2005 3:31:52 PM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
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To: 1066AD

About 8 million dollars per mile (like one in Isreal). Cost to not put up fence

20,0000 border agents x $50K/year = 1,000,000,000 year (not including training, support equipment, etc costs - probably could double figure). Also does not include the costs associated with increased crime, prisons, healthcare, schooling, under the table work, etc.... Were talking about many billions a year for illegals. In CA alone the net negative impact estimate of illegal immigration is around 10 billion.


20 posted on 01/28/2005 3:32:00 PM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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