The Record of 'Moderate' Republicans

http://newsmax.com/ ^ | Jan. 26, 2005 | Wes Vernon

[socal_parrot]

Giuliani was also very pro-Bush and did a lot to get him elected.


Bush was pro-Spector and did a lot to get him elected.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

IMO us moderates are the only ones capable of rational thought. Both the left and right extremes are intellectually crippled by ideology.

What makes you a moderate? Pro-abortion? Pro-gay? Pro-tax? What? How does that put you beyond the reach of intelligent opposition? All who disagree with you are intellectually crippled? Hahahahaha! Do you even know how arrogant and nonintellectual you sound?

[Tempest]

So the troubles in California is the fault of moderate Republicans? The leftist policies were instituted by moderate Republicans?

Or are you trying to say that you're angry that it's a moderate Republican that's currently getting things done in California.

[peacebaby]

Yes, there seems to be alot of intolerance for differing opinions, and yes, there seems to be arrogance by those who won't tolerate differing opinions.

Is the Republican party becoming exclusive? It can't afford to. Rather it should be inclusive, and should include us moderates (I reject the RINO reference).

As someone in a thread the other day asked, "Why are we eating each other?"

[Antoninus]

Giuliani was also very pro-Bush and did a lot to get him elected.

He knows where his bread is buttered. If he didn't, he would have been ostricized from the party and his future political aspirations would have been dashed.

Bush was pro-Spector and did a lot to get him elected.

This was a miscalculation on Bush's part. Arlen Specter is a duplicitous creep. Bush and Santorum should have known better than to trust him in the least. Unless something is done about Arlen Specter and soon, I see a bad time for Republican candidates in 2006.

[NeoCaveman]

Conservative Republican consultant Craig Shirley says he is inviting Whitman to be his guest at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in late February. Shirley says Whitman can then "learn why the GOP now controls the White House, the U.S. House and Senate and most governorships in the country."

I'd pay good money to see Christie Todd Whitless at CPAC. It would be the equivalent of seeing the late Yassir Arafat at a Likud Party rally.

[StonyBurk]

Saw Mizz Christie Todd Whitman on th enetwork snooze this
am .Couldn't help but think she sounded just like all them
Catholics who oppose that church's (and the Bible teaching)
about abortion- birth control-homosexuality and ? whatever. They ,like her , all repeat the mantra it's my
church too.They don't agree with church policy --insist they
will take communion regaurdless of what any Priest says--
and they will oppose or promote whatever evil they feel
like embracing.These are th e"judge not lest ye be judged."
apostates.No diff with Rino's who oppose Republican principles,and that core set of beliefs relative to the
Republican Party platform.

[Antoninus]

As someone in a thread the other day asked, "Why are we eating each other?"

I'm less worried about "eating each other" and more worried about killing babies. If you're staunchly pro-abortion, you've got no place in the Republican party. You may as well be a pro-slavery Republican in 1860. A candidate that endorses abortion will NEVER get my vote.

[lowbridge]

Specter adds more fuel to the fire

Specter’s Trial Lawyer Appointee (The Judiciary chairman hires a liberal (Dem) general counsel)

TOLD YOU SO (Michele Malkin on Arlen Specter)

Specter Adding Wife Of Dem Player Joseph Torsella, To Judiciary Staff

[StonyBurk]

correction--FugUGLY Socialists.

[Soul Seeker]

There are a number that use these designations indiscremately setting impossibly high standards.

"RINO" in traditional sense would be someone without loyalty to the Party. Bloomberg is a true RINO. He converted in name only because he couldn't gain distinction between a crowded Democrat field. Rudy is NOT a RINO. He's very loyal to the Party.

"CINO" in traditional sense would be someone that pretends to conservatisism when Liberal in practice. Democrats as well as Republicans have fallen into this category. Daschle pretended to be a conservative in his own state.

I think many fall into a latter category- Opportunists. McCain is the prime example of this.

The idea that one cannot be a Liberal in the Republican Party, or a conservative in the Democrat Party, is ludicrous. If they are loyal to their party and seek it's expansion they are Republican. If they don't try to sabotage the Party Platform, they are Republican. This doesn't mean they can't have disagreement and fight to implement their belief, but there is a line between that and selling out to the Dems. The trouble occurs when someone is blacklisted simply because they are conservative or Liberal, even though they have been true to the Party. This is what happened to Zell.

IMO, the best thing that could happen would be if conservatives and Liberals had a voice in both parties. If that occured partisanship might ease a bit since enough people from each party would crossover on policy votes, so that each party could claim success or the high ground if it turned out to reap reward or detriment.

This is unlikely to occur since the Democrat Party has become intolerately rigid. At present time the Republican Party has not followed that fate. Unfortunately, with one Party regidly Liberal maintaining a "Big Tent" can be harmful to conservatism's advancement since we can't rely on support across the aisle.

So, I understand both sides. I understand why people are determined to make the Republican Party pure in matter of self preservation. Yet I'm also of opinion both parties would be healthier if they contained both Liberals and conservatives. Republicans have a delicate balancing act since Democrats have relinquished their duty in this aspect. The corruption of the Democrat Party by socialistic anti-war anti-American elements has hurt this country. They need to be cleansed from that party for the welfare of us all.

[hosepipe]

There are NO moderate republicans..
They are ALL moles.., ringers, confused democrats, or socialist shills..

[peacebaby]

I am not staunchly pro abortion.....

[socal_parrot]

This was a miscalculation on Bush's part. Arlen Specter is a duplicitous creep.

You're right about the creep part. As for the miscalculation, Bush new exactly what he was doing, backing a GOP incumbent who had the best chance of beating his Dim opponent.

[Antoninus]

I am not staunchly pro abortion.....

Good. Unfortunately, almost every Republican elected official who calls themself a moderate is pro-abortion. And THAT's the problem. These folks need to be removed post-haste. They do much more harm than good in the long run.

[StonyBurk]

on gay marriage. Marriage was originally not controlled
by the State.Not until the Civil War did any State issue
marriage licenses.It has been defined by Congress (1861) and the Court most noteably Murphyv. Ramsey and others,1885
as the union of one man and one woman in Holy matrimony.
the arguement pressed by the homosexuals that interracial
marriage was once taboo. Is as mythical as the claim "being
gay is just like being black." Never met a black (Michael Jackson included ) who ever changed their race. Never met a
homosexual who did not change their orientation at will.
Marriage was defined by Moses,Jesus, and the Apostle Paul
as th eUnion of one man and one woman.and this understanding was reflected in American Law by James Wilson
who declared under our law marriage means the two are one.

[Antoninus]

You're right about the creep part. As for the miscalculation, Bush new exactly what he was doing, backing a GOP incumbent who had the best chance of beating his Dim opponent.

I think Bush actually believed that Specter would behave himself after he won. Therein lies the miscalculation. I'm still hoping that this miscalculation will be corrected. If it isn't, I fear we're going to see some GOP bloodletting in 2006.

[peacebaby]

and are you making the decisions on who is in or out of the Republican party?

Soul_Seeker just used the phrase rigid "... Democrat Party has become intolerately rigid. ...."

It disturbs me to hear you and others sound intolerably rigid. It will hurt the Republican party.

Barbara Bush, President Bush's mother, was tolerant of the abortion issue, she understood it was not black or grey, it wasn't as simple as that. And Barbara Bush is a great example of the Republican party.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

I think we should fight like crazy during primaries. That's how it works. But we should agree to come together during general elections, or really what is the purpose of joining forces at all? Moderates need to understand that they do owe something to the party that helps them get elected. If they want to be totally independent of that party then run as an I and not an R. Conservatives need to understand that they own an allegiance to moderates who are faithful to them. It should really be out of respect for the will of the people. If the people keep sending us a moderate in a primary then we should have some respect for that process. But it works both ways you know. The problem is, moderates think they owe no allegiance to conservatives. They can "use 'em and then lose 'em" as a deviant high school boy I used to know would say about the girls he dated.

If "moderates" care so much about social issues that they will support a Democrat over a conservative Republican in general elections, then they do not deserve the support of the whole party. They should do as Jeffords did and become Independents. But I do think conservatives should support moderates when they win primaries too.

A dysfunctional coalition ends up destroying all involved. That's why the Democrats in the media love to throw bones to the "mods." They don't really want to help them. They want to see our entire party colapse so they can run the gov't their way.

[CyberAnt]

Yeah .. like Jeffords SAVED the party - give me break. I've never been a fan of Whitmans to begin with .. and this screed is just a confirmation of my opinion of her.