The Record of 'Moderate' Republicans

http://newsmax.com/ ^ | Jan. 26, 2005 | Wes Vernon

[hosepipe]

[ Barbara Bush, President Bush's mother, was tolerant of the abortion issue, she understood it was not black or grey, it wasn't as simple as that. And Barbara Bush is a great example of the Republican party. ]

ALL the Bush's are RINOs and leftists.. except maybe, the Presidents brother..

[peacebaby]

Thanks, StonyBurk, for that information on the matter of gay marriage. I have a lesbian friend who believes that gays and lesbians should not pursue gay marriage but be satisfied with gay unions. I have another lesbian friend who with her partner is raising two adopted children, and they are better parents, frankly, than I am - or was.

I just know it's not my decision to make.

[peacebaby]

Your rationale is greatly appreciated.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

BTW, the nature of a political party is to stand for certain ideals. Yes there can be variations within the basic ideals, but there must be some core principles or why else form a party at all? So the being inclusive thing has some merit. But frequently it is used as a phony argument to cover up the real intent, which is to shift who is "in" and who is "out." As a party, we should allow members to make any argument they want. But only one ideology is going to rule the day. We have to stand for something. If we stand for everything then what is the purpose of our existnence? So when you ask if the Republican Party is becoming exclusive, I have to wonder what exactly you mean by that. We do not promote or include Democrats. Most of us do not want to promote liberal ideology either. Some of us apparently want ot promote SOME liberal ideology. So, okay, do it. But if you lose out maybe it is not our fault for being "exclusive" but rather your fault for just losing the debate. Most of us are not liberals.

[OldFriend]

While Governor of NJ, Whitman TWICE vetoed a ban on partial birth abortion.

It was only as she neared re-election that she allowed the ban to pass.

[OldFriend]

Witless on the radio in Denver this morning. Whining that Rudy or Ridge could not be chosen as veeps.

Christie, YOU ARE NO RUDY OR RIDGE EITHER!!!!

[peacebaby]

Several years I'd been told by the general director of the GA. Association of GYNs that it is very hard to find an obgyn who would perform a partial birth abortion. That eased my concerns.

Yesterday someone else reminding me that you wil l always find someone who will perform anything,,,if you look hard enough.

Why did Whitman give in on the third try?

[OldFriend]

Sounds a lot like Witless. Except the poster forgot to add that they're for gay marriage too.

[OldFriend]

President Bush also needed Specter's votes on some critical issues....and he got them.

If he had actively campaigned against Specter the result would have been obvious.

Pathetic but true. Arlen is a traitor that must be dealt with.

For now he has boxed himself in......and knows it.

[OldFriend]

Whitman was especially unpopular in NJ. No one trusted her and they were right.

She left us with the supreme court nominees who made NJ the laughing stock of the nation with it's Toricelli decision.

[OldFriend]

She wanted that second term so moderated her extremist views.

I have heard her insisting that parental notification for teens having abortions is wrong.

[peacebaby]

meaning, I stand with the Republicans on all issues that I cna think of except abortion where I have a slightly differing opinion and am sympathetic to some pro choice option for women.

So, then, am I excluded from the republican party? If so, there seems to be some arrogance by those would exclude me...and thousands or other women, for that matter. I'm not alone in this.

[NormsRevenge]

.. you're angry that it's a moderate Republican that's currently getting things done in California.

Who's angry? lol

getting things done?

Stem cell initiatives on the taxpayers dime..

Borrowing Mo' Money to keep the dems social programs funded fully..

Acquiescing to more debt/bonds to pay for infrastructure, bridges statewide via a seismic-safety bond..

Oh Yeah,, Getting things done. lol

[Tempest]

The only thing you listed that I disagree with is the government funded stem cell research.

Other than that the rest was neccesary in order to keep government structure intact and viable for Californians.

But hey don't forget about the positives. I'm sure you would've mentioned those instead of just being a kavetcher if you had remembered them...

Let me give you a hand.

http://www.governor.ca.gov/govsite/pdf/links/Promises_04_final.pdf


http://cpr.ca.gov/

http://www.report.cpr.ca.gov/



Rescind auto registration fee increase.
Forgoe pay for his demanding job
Repealed driver licsences for illegals
Overhaul workers comp

Bad governor all of California problems are your fault.... California would be alllllll fine now if McClintock would've gotten elected.... except he didn't. wahhhhh.

[NormsRevenge]

And that's what makes me love some of you moderate supporters, ya just love to bear your little fangs and growl and gnaw on folks who don't buy into your koolaid mentality. And if ya ca get a shot in at McClintock, all the better.

You folks really believe Arnie is the only one either qualified or electable.

We'll never know now, will we? And who's 'fault' is that?

btw, any sane person would have had the VLF rescinded, that was part of the package of getting elected.

his efforts in vetoing illegals drivers licenses, same thing.. and worker's comp has shown minimal improvementin overall rate reductions. considering how darn fast it increased in not so mnay years.

These are essentially hollow points,, oh and did I mention the banning of the BMG50, Uh , who signed that bill?

Yeah, keep slurping the kool-aid.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

No, I wouldn't exclude you for that. I think you are wrong and everything, but I certainly wouldn't exclude you for that. If you are with us on everthing else then I don't see a problem. I wouldn't support you in the primary if I had the choice of someone who was with me on everything INCLUDING abortion, but I could support you with enthusiasm in a general election. How's that?

You know, I understand why you say one issue shouldn't exclude you. I am not sure who that one issue makes a person a "moderate" either. That term is pretty useless these days. But understand that those of us who think a child -- born or unborn -- ALWAYS has a right to life really can't view it as just a small little difference. To us babies are being murdered with the gov't's blessing. I do not know how to tell you just how appalling we find that. It isn't about including or excluding, it is about the belief that every human being has worth. It's just not a small difference of opinion to us.

Even at that, I would support you or someone like you over a liberal Democrat any day of the week. With enthusiasm.

[djreece]

Yes. California "moderate" Republicans would much rather see Democrats in power than to have conservative Republicans control the party or be elected. And they have done a good job of turning the state over to leftist liberals.

[Tempest]

Yep California is a quagmire in some peoples minds..... Oh McClintock help us...

[djreece]

Barbara Bush is a dinosaur. With modern technology and ultrasound, there is less and less room for being "squishy" on abortion. It is undeniable today that abortion kills babies. There is no room for moderation there.