Posted on 01/26/2005 9:46:21 AM PST by 7thson
When I pulled into the parking lot this morning, I saw a car covered with sacrilegious bumper stickers. It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention. I’m sure he was also seeking to elicit anger from people of faith. The anger helps the atheist to justify his atheism. And, all too often, the atheist gets exactly what he is looking for.
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Ahhh, I notice how you slipped in "part of...". Are there no RC's on this thread? Every time I've heard a RC told that he/she believes that salvation is through works and not a gift of God, the RC has strongly protested and disagreed. If you don't mind, I'll wait for a RC to tell me what he/she believes. And the question, still stands - any Christian on this thread believe that salvation is through works?
All true!
It was just your original statement that was, I thought, out of character.
Dan
Not all. I said many.
Reading comprehension causes many as well.
But it was true. Jesus was trying to make a point. Remember, the world did think Jesus was "bad". He was a BAD Armenian.
I'm confused. Perhaps you can clarify the difference between your original statement and my paraphrased version of it.
You: For without God, life truly has no meaning whatsoever.
Me: life without your version of "God" is meaningless
The belief that without God there is right and wrong is illogical. I wasn't talking about the lack of belief in God.
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Wow. Believing in God is for the thoughtless?
> It's about whether it's OK in the bizarre world of atheism.
No, it's not. Why would you think it would be?
> So if you get away with either no uncomfortable consequences or acceptable consequences, it's the same in the end.
If you are a psycho, sure. But psycho morals ain;t mine, and hopefully they ain't yours.
Oh I agree with you. That post wasn't intended to convince an athiest. It was really directed at those who already believe the Bible but might be confused on an aspect of Jesus' divinity.
Some of the Old Testament verses are prophetic and in that sense a little stronger evidence, but those are probably only a small subset of what you need to see to realize both that "God is" and that "Jesus is God".
Jesus was not, Himself, denying that He was good. That would have been a lie. Which would have been, well, not good.
Dan
> For you to answer "I dunno" when this question is put to you is the equivalent of saying "I don't care."
Hardly. Who will be President in 2007? Be honest... you *don't* know. But I bet you care.
Lack of data does not imply lack of interest.
> They believe in all variety of bizarre and wacky things.
Yes, like family, country, capitalism, morality, right and wrong...
> If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
Fine. What makes you think atheists don;t stand for anything? They simply don;t stand for God. There's considerably mroe to life than that.
> what difference does it make if one conglomeration of proteins and chemicals mashes another one?
Because some conglomerations have greater value than others.
Define said law. Be specific.
You are correct that in worldly terms, we have our own difination of what "good" is. For some, it is a "Good" morning, for others, it is not. For some, milk is "Good" for them, but if you a are lactose intolerant, milk is not "Good"
When Speaking in Terms of God (Father, Son, Holy Ghost), we have to take God ofr what it truly means:
Holy
HO'LY, a.
1. Properly, whole, entire or perfect, in a moral sense. Hence, pure in heart, temper or dispositions; free from sin and sinful affections. Applied to the Supreme Being, holy signifies perfectly pure, immaculate and complete in moral character; and man is more or less holy, as his heart is more or less sanctified, or purified from evil dispositions. We call a man holy,when his heart is conformed in some degree to the image of God, and his life is regulated by the divine precepts. Hence, holy is used as nearly synonymous with good, pious, godly.
Websters 1828 Dictionary
God is Good as God is HOLY. I agree that peter was a "screw-up", but he was a screw attached to the right Bolt. He know he needed Jesus. He know that others needed Jesus. The ruler was not good, as he did not recognise his need for a saviour. To him, it was as you discribe, obedience or disobedience. The things is, we can not live up to Gods standard, and the "good" ruler failed to see that. He failed to understand that while he had kept the civil laws (the last 6 commandments), the "good" ruler was placing his wealth above God. He was guilty of transgressing the first four commandments.
Of course. That's partly why I said "As you surely know," to make the distinction. Maybe that was too subtle, because frankly, I was specifically thinking of the one at hand.
Reading comprehension causes many as well.
And a big "Thank you" for the assurance that nothing has changed, and the reminder of how I might have tiptoed to that original conclusion.
It is impossible to prove a negative.
"If man has been kicked up out of that which is only impersonal by chance , then those things that make him man-hope of purpose and significance, love, motions of morality and rationality, beauty and verbal communication-are ultimately unfulfillable and thus meaningless."
---Francis Schaeffer in The God Who Is There
Boy, you sure hate having someone tell you they've seen a bumpersticker you don't like, doncha!
No it's not, otherwise you could show that it was.
Because that's what the whole thread is about and it has been the thrust of my entire body of comments. Some have tried to change the subject.
If you are a psycho, sure. But psycho morals ain;t mine, and hopefully they ain't yours.
I don't hope to define how you are using the word "psycho".
For atheists, there is no logical morality. They try to squirm into it to feel better, but it's can't be done. Hence, atheism is bizarre.
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