Posted on 01/16/2005 5:22:26 AM PST by dead
Islamic extremists may have murdered four members of a Coptic Orthodox family found bound, gagged and with their throats slit on Friday in their Jersey City home, a law-enforcement official familiar with the case said.
The official confirmed that Hudson County investigators, as well the FBI, were "knee-deep" in pulling computer records and were coming to terms with the possibility that the family may have been targeted for death because of exchanges about religion in an Internet chat room.
The official cautioned, though, that investigators have not ruled out other possibilities, such as a robbery gone awry.
Hossam Armanious, 47, Amal Garas, 37, and their daughters Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were found dead in their Oakland Avenue home early Friday after family members alerted police that nobody had heard from them in days.
First Assistant Hudson County Prosecutor Guy Gregory declined to discuss any details of the case, other than to confirm that police have ruled out a dispute the family had with a former tenant as a possible motive. He cautioned against speculating about the motive behind the murders.
"This is a very delicate investigation and one where we have spent hours at the scene collecting evidence and with the evidence collection complete, we're moving to bring in people that we feel need to be interviewed," Gregory said. "It's unfortunate that people are speculating."
But as the theory spread that revenge and religion were the driving forces behind one of the most heinous murders in the county's long history, fear enveloped the city's Coptic community.
Friends, relatives and co-worshippers of the devout family spent much of Saturday wondering how the seemingly upstanding Armanious family could fall victim to such a shockingly brutal crime. Several spoke of Hossam Armanious' participation in heated discussions about the Islamic faith on the Paltalk.com messenger service and threats he received for expressing his views about the religion.
Milad Garas, an uncle of Amal Garas, said Saturday that he was told investigators are probing whether the killings could have been prompted in part by the chat sessions. He also pointed to a passage in the Muslim holy book, the Quran, that details how enemies should be killed - bound and their throats slit, an assertion that drew a rebuttal from some Islamic scholars, but was supported by others.
A translation of passage 47:4 of the Quran reads in part: "Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers [in fight], smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly [on them]."
"There is a very wide range of interpretation of that, and it depends on where people are in the spectrum," said Frederick M. Denny, a professor of religious studies at the University of Colorado and author of more than a dozen books on Islam. "If they were going toward the extremist side, it could lead someone to believe it is justified. ... There are those that take that [passage] quite literally."
The close-knit Coptic community promised protests if the religious revenge theory proves accurate.
"If it turns out they were killed for religion, then we will [protest]," said Ayman Garas, Amal's younger brother. "We have to be patient, we can't do anything stupid. ... But it looks like it is religion, maybe."
The Armanious family moved to the United States from Egypt in part to escape religious persecution. Hossam Armanious had sensed a rise in anti-Christian extremism and wanted to make a better life for his family in America, Ayman Garas said.
"What I really want to know is: How?'' he said. "We just can't believe it at this point. Everything has passed like a dream."
The details of what may have been said in the chat sessions were not known Saturday night.
Fred Ayad, deacon of the couple's St. George Coptic Orthodox Church, said that the entire community was in a "panic" over the apparent targeting of the family, as well as the murders of a Coptic deacon in December and a Coptic cabdriver in late 2003.
Prosecutor Gregory said the conjecture about the murders is hampering his office's investigation, which he said has been exhaustive.
Copts are Egyptian Christians, a minority group of about 6 million in a nation of 60 million, and have been killed in religious rioting and during attacks on Christian churches by Islamic militants. Coptic leaders also say they lack representation in the Egyptian government and are treated like second-class citizens.
Over the past decade, Copts have increasingly immigrated to the United States. Currently, they number about 1 million in this country. Coptic Orthodox churches are scattered throughout the nation and, while there is no official count, Coptic Web sites list about 10 large congregations in New Jersey and about 20 in the tri-state area.
Islamic leaders said Saturday that the murders could not have been the work of someone inspired by the Quran.
"We are not a bloody people," said Ahmed Shedeed, director of the Islamic Center of Jersey City. "This is not from the Quran. This is not from Islam at all."
Shedeed, who is Egyptian, said his group recently co-founded a social service organization with local Coptic churches, called Egyptian Family.
"We are trying to get religious leaders from both communities to meet on a monthly basis to break the ice between the people," he said. "We meet as individuals, but as organizations we never have done such a thing. We are trying to show that Egyptians together can benefit."
Shedeed said that as part of that effort, he attended Christmas Eve services at St. George's this year.
Asked about passages in the Quran that may suggest murdering non-believers in a manner that resembles the family's deaths, he replied, "The Quran talks about people fighting in the battle of war. It's not talking about people who live next to you. ... This has nothing to do with our community at all."
"The Quran stands very firmly against taking human life," said noted Islamic author Zayn Kassam, chairwoman of the religious studies department of Pomona College in California. "If someone read a verse and used it to justify the killing of four people, I believe that person is unbalanced. ... There are very few Muslims who would support this sort of thing."
On Saturday, the family received mourners at the church, as friends left lighted candles and flowers in front of the home. Neighbors talked of an exhaustive police investigation, with a former Armanious tenant, Nelly Ramirez, saying police had questioned her, her son and her son's girlfriend.
Meanwhile, friends of Sylvia, a high school sophomore who would have turned 16 on Saturday, lingered in front of the house, alternately crying and laughing. They talked of an extremely gifted teen who recently won a trip to Italy from the National Honor Society for a series of essays she wrote on topics such as Shakespeare and Charles Dickens.
"She used to write all the time," said her friend Jankil Patel, 15. "She used to go to church all the time. ... She'd debate people in class and even had a religious tattoo on her [right wrist]."
"She had a lot of friends; she was very popular," said Jessica Cimino, 15, another friend. Cimino and the other girls said they plan to attend the family funeral on Monday and wear T-shirts bearing Sylvia's image to school on Tuesday.
Ayman and Milad Garad and other family members were allowed into the crime scene for the first time on Saturday morning to gather the needed paperwork for the cemetery. They left the home with a briefcase and several other items, including a tank with several small turtles inside.
Staff Writer Kathleen Carroll contributed to this story. E-mail: troncone@northjersey.com
I like this American flag too.
What a crock! CAIR stereotypes the characters as Muslims, then wants FOX to apologize with PSAs?!?!?! This is BS.
These blind and incapacitated sheiks seem to cause a lot of trouble. The Israelis took out Hamas' Sheik Yassin. I also remember some crippled sheik associated with UBL.
Why not what?
I don't believe that someone who is supposedly part of an operation with a sizable budget would try to reclaim a $100 deposit, and not even have the vehicle he rented to return. I know Arabs are legendarily stupid, but not that stupid. (I also don't believe that McVeigh's license plate just happened to fall off, and then the police held him for more than a day before someone decided he had something to do with the OK City bombing.)
Yassin was supported by the Hamas infrastructure, which sort of makes my point about Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman. He wasn't an independent operator.
I don't really need to have alternatives to know what is not true.
ML/NJ
http://www.news12.com/NJ#
First story - click on the camera. Here's a video from News 12 New Jersey at 6:00 pm. One ME guy actually compared the murder to Zarqawi's methods in Iraq.
This was a hit - a well planned, well executed hit.
That no member of the family was able to escape proves that.
This was meant to be a warning to others, exactly like the beheadings were a warning to the US when we went into Iraq.
Fear and intimidation are these vermin's favorite weapons.
I am currently reading "Prophet of Doom" by Craig Winn and I recommend it to all. It is enlightening for sure.
Pray for the slain Armanious family (Vechnaya Pamyat!!) as they are TRUE martyrs...and pray for the USA!!
"Yassin was supported by the Hamas infrastructure, which sort of makes my point about Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman. He wasn't an independent operator."
Yassin (and Rahman) were the "spiritual" leaders and as such determined the operation. The infrastucture was answerable to them.
(The thought of spirituality in the same sentence as murderers like Yassin and Rahman is enough to make me choke.)
I can well see your point about the deposit and McVeigh's license plate. I can believe they were set up or were shaheeds to take the fall to cover for others. But I do believe the sheik's were behind it.
Hope springs eternal though, maybe God will smile down on us and our cops will figure it out.
MAY be tied to islamic extremists???!!!
Of course, we can't jump to conclusions, why that would not be PC/sarcasm off
Thanks....Bias? I don't notice any pervert-coddling media bias
/sarcasm OFF:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Jesse+Dirkhising&btnG=Google+Search
You're neither weak nor naive.
We have all become shackled in our thinking.
Political correctness has become more powerful than common sense.
Yes, we are a waring nation. I like that though. We have had to fight our way throughout our history. I see that as a plus. I'd rather our enemies fear us than respect us.
One of our Military leaders said, "we break shit", we're good at it.In these troubling days I'm very glad we break shi*. :-)
We are working on getting ride of PC, it's a nation killer in disguise.
I suspect the perps have already safely landed in Saudi Arabia and are celebrating. I don't imagine they would stick around, but head to the safety of the mother land. I do, however, hope I am completely wrong.
Either that, or they have headed up to Canada where they can join a gazillion of their relatives.
Media didn't talk about it. It might put the gays in a bad light(
Or maybe they were "imported" and have already left the country, either by air or driving up to Canada.
Yes, this family are martyrs in the same sense as the Christians in the lion's dens of Rome.
In the next few years, I fear we will have a growing list of martyrs.
I hear ya. Both our countries have a growing problem with them.
At least you guys are better armed than us. All we can do is throw back bacon at them.
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