Posted on 01/14/2005 2:19:11 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave
Decades ago, it was physicist Enrico Fermi who pondered the issue of extraterrestrial civilizations with fellow theorists over lunch, generating the famous quip: "Where are they?" That question later became central to debates about the cosmological census count of other star folk and possible extraterrestrial (ET) visitors from afar.
Fermi’s brooding on the topic was later labeled "Fermi’s paradox". It is a well-traveled tale from the 1950’s when the scientist broached the subject in discussions with colleagues in Los Alamos, New Mexico. Thoughts regarding the probability of earthlike planets, the rise of highly advanced civilizations "out there", and interstellar travel -- these remain fodder for trying to respond to Fermi’s paradox even today.
Now a team of American scientists note that recent astrophysical discoveries suggest that we should find ourselves in the midst of one or more extraterrestrial civilizations. Moreover, they argue it is a mistake to reject all UFO reports since some evidence for the theoretically-predicted extraterrestrial visitors might just be found there.
The researchers make their proposal in the January/February 2005 issue of the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society (JBIS).
Curious situation
Pick up any good science magazine and you’re sure to see the latest in head-scratching ideas about superstring theory, wormholes, or the stretching of spacetime itself. Meanwhile, extrasolar planetary detection is on the verge of becoming mundane.
"We are in the curious situation today that our best modern physics and astrophysics theories predict that we should be experiencing extraterrestrial visitation, yet any possible evidence of such lurking in the UFO phenomenon is scoffed at within our scientific community," contends astrophysicist Bernard Haisch.
Haisch along with physicists James Deardorff, Bruce Maccabee and Harold Puthoff make their case in the JBIS article: "Inflation-Theory Implications for Extraterrestrial Visitation".
The scientists point to two key discoveries made by Australian astronomers and reported last year that there is a "galactic habitable zone" in our Milky Way Galaxy. And more importantly that Earth’s own star, the Sun, is relatively young in comparison to the average star in this zone -- by as much as a billion years.
Therefore, the researchers explain in their JBIS article that an average alien civilization would be far more advanced and have long since discovered Earth. Additionally, other research work on the supposition underlying the Big Bang -- known as the theory of inflation -- shores up the prospect, they advise, that our world is immersed in a much larger extraterrestrial civilization.
Point-to-point distances
Given billion-year advanced physics, might not buzzing around the galaxy be possible?
Even today superstring theory hypothesizes other dimensions... which could be habitable Universes adjacent to our own, the researchers speculate. It might even be possible to get around the speed of light limit by moving in and out of these dimensions.
"What we have done is somewhat of a breakthrough," Haisch told SPACE.com. "We have pulled together various recent discoveries and theoretical issues that collectively point to the strong probability that we should be in the midst of one or more huge extraterrestrial civilizations," he said.
Haisch said that superstring dimensions and wormhole and spacetime stretching possibilities address the "can't get here from there" objection often argued in view of the interstellar, point-to-point distances involved. Also, diffusion models predict that even a single civilization could spread across the Galaxy in a tiny fraction of the age of the Galaxy - even at sub-light speeds, he said.
ET signature in the data
Can the scientific community bring itself to consider any evidence coming from mysterious sightings of strange things by the public?
In large measure, the scientific community seemingly has eyed ET visitation as far from being serious stuff to cogitate over. Why so?
"The dismissal has several causes, all reinforcing each other," Haisch responded. "Most of the observations are probably misinterpretations, delusions and hoaxes. I have seen people get confused by Venus or even Sirius when it is flashing colors low in the sky under the right conditions. Having been turned off by this, most scientists never bother to look any further, and so are simply blissfully ignorant that there may be more to it," he said.
Deardorff, the lead author of the JBIS article, points out in a press statement: "It would take some humility for the scientific community to suspend its judgment and take at least some of the high quality reports seriously enough to investigate…but I hope we can bring ourselves to do that."
According to Haisch, there is a motivation not just for scientific tolerance of the UFO issue, but a strong scientific prediction that there ought to be some genuine ET signature in the data.
"This potentially changes the relationship of the UFO phenomenon to science in a significant way. It takes away the ‘not invented here’ prejudice, pointing out that a ‘yes’ to ET visitation is exactly what side our current physics and astrophysics theories would come down on as the most likely situation," Haisch concluded.
Didn't realize there really was an Art Bell fan ping list. If there is, it would be nice if someone one it would ping me when it wanders near my topics of interest.
THX.
Fun . . .
I suppose . . .
fun IF one's asbestos suit is in good repair or one is a masochist
or one just absolutely doesn't give a flip about what anyone else says at all, ever.
LOL.
I still say that precisely what you're going on about is what this experiment succeeded at and was reported out in the last 6 months. Wish I had the link or at least a keyword to search. Was in a thread here on FR.
I'm convinced we have our own manmade fleet.
But, I believe my relative and others who insist that ET's helped us build them and that they really do come from other civilizations on very distant planets and/or other dimensions.
AND, I also still believe that most such ET critters are in cahoots with the evil one to set up a global government.
It is interesting that, as THE MESSAGE version notes--God is called in the Old Testament more than 260 times: "God-of-the-Angel-Armies."
Not, as I understand it--according to the successful experiment reported out in the last 6 months. INFORMATION--verifiable information was transmitted effectively faster than light. I don't recall how many bits.
I undestood it was 11 or 13 or more dimensions???
I haven't tried. Know many who have.
Perhaps it's the attitude of the high priests of Science!
This made it into Space.com? Egads.
Ok, can they explain the aliens preference for, err, "probing" on their visits then? ;)
They must have polled the populations of non-solar-system
planets.
No. The theory says there are 11 dimensions total, including our 4. So there are 7 other tightly-wound ones ready to be exploited by somebody.
While I'm philosophically a strong believer as I think you know . . .
I think that explanation of ET's AND UFO's as the total and only explanation is overly tidy and not adequate.
I believe that eventually, the total reality will slice across all the tidy little explanations.
For one, there are far too many tangible HARD OBJECT ship stuff in the literature to construe absolutely all the drivers AND ALL THE SHIPS as totally demonic or demonic materializations.
You know I'm not arguing about which side of good/evil the ET's seem to be wholesale on, currently. Though I do believe there angelic forces on the side of God which MAY appear in such contraptions, I don't believe they have much at all, yet.
And, I don't believe they 'need' them per se. They may elect to use them for whatever reasons but I don't think they 'need' them. I beleive that God speaking forth whatever can cause distant sub atomic particles and everything larger to hop-to according to His Will without any other 'external' operation effecting such transmission of His Will or effecting the actions.
Thanks. I don't really have the time, energy or inclination to night to ferret out the particular posts. Is it in the opening doc?
Yep. Happening before our very eyes.
The demonic spiritual realm IS given power over this physical world to deceive:
"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing....[1 Thessalonians 2:9-10]"
I'm reminded of that old great 'Twilight Zone ET episode: 'To Serve Man'. Like sheep to slaughter, the citizens of this world climb aboard the alien spacecraft to points unknown after naively falling for the ruse, "We're here to HELP YOU."
Odd that we posted at almost the exact time :-D
I've never read a convincing explanation for that.
Some have postulated a genetic oriented thorough assessment of mankind's health.
Some have postulated that it's part of the intimidation process.
Some have asserted that ET's love to eat our brains when we've been scared out of our wits because there's a taste differential in such cases that they dearly enjoy. I haven't put much stock in that one but it could make for some interesting movies--to a point.
Don't recall any other explanations off the top of my head.
Or they may not have.
Or conscious beings may have evolved via nature sans conscious interdiction..
Speculations and facts.
Fact 1:: conscious beings exist.
Fact 2:: conscious humans can and do increasingly understand nature to control nature in order to benefit self and other people.
Speculation 1: conscious beings control macro events of the Universe and create new universes.
Speculation 2: supernatural God.
Speculation 3: speculative God created the Universe.
Fact 3: 2,300 years of history shows that political and religious leaders have convinced followers to kill several magnitude more people than scientists and businessmen/women have.
Ahhhh.
I faintly remember though that some recent theories or experiments or some such expanded that a bit. I could be wrong.
Not something I keep close track of. Just part of the peripheral ephemera in my brain's hallways.
Then there was "V" !!!
Was that really produced by Mormons?
Why have we not seen it so readily available at the rental shelves or on DVD?
It pre-exists Free Republic, before Art Bell "retired" and then returned, and then... well, whatever.
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