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To: Kevin OMalley

Or they may not have.

Or conscious beings may have evolved via nature sans conscious interdiction..

Speculations and facts.

Fact 1:: conscious beings exist.

Fact 2:: conscious humans can and do increasingly understand nature to control nature in order to benefit self and other people.

Speculation 1: conscious beings control macro events of the Universe and create new universes.

Speculation 2: supernatural God.

Speculation 3: speculative God created the Universe.

Fact 3: 2,300 years of history shows that political and religious leaders have convinced followers to kill several magnitude more people than scientists and businessmen/women have.

97 posted on 01/14/2005 6:49:08 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Zon

I'm not all that interested in speculation. I'm interested in inductive reasoning. Please give evidence of your beliefs.


103 posted on 01/14/2005 6:53:53 PM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: Zon

I don't believe your Fact 3 is a fact.

Show me the raw data and the math, please.

Unless, of course, you are including Communism as a religion.


104 posted on 01/14/2005 6:54:02 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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