Posted on 01/14/2005 5:57:02 AM PST by hdrabon
The ACLU's "constitutional" lawsuit with this Tuesday's Presidential Inauguration is a three-way taxpayer hit:
1. By act of Congress, the ACLU is allowed to bill (likely at the highest rate possible) the government/taxpayers for the costs of bringing the suit, and automatically is paid, regardless of the suits' outcome.
2. By operation, the cost of defending against the suit is charged to the taxpayers, again, likely at the highest rate.
3. By function, the cost of hearing and adjudicating the suit is at taxpayer expense.
Of course, it was members of the legal industry, Congress's largest and only functional built-in lobby, who made the law!
Our imperial legal industry -- Minor risk and guaranteed high return. The setup against liberty is becomming more and more clear.
Hubert D. Rabon
Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org
Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org
The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/
Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org
Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:
ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas
ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits
ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd
Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit
Additional information:
The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back
Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')
ACLU fulfilling communist agenda
Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings
See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU
This yahoo group just started on December 3, 2004 and is looking for new members
Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list
Ping!
Thank you SO much for the great information and links!
The ACLU, though, is only the public face of the large problem with America's legal industry.
Ping me as you wish,
HDR
A Call To Arms
Why do so many sit aside, holding their anger inside, as activist secular organizations such as the ACLU assault our religious expression? Why do so many do nothing, as activist secular judges rule in favor of these anti-Christian organizations? Why do we stay uninvolved?
We have a constitutional right to express our religion. Don’t allow these groups to take that right away under the disguise of a fictional “Seperation of Church and State” clause, that does not even exist. The answer to the question posed above may lie in the fact that many people don’t know what they can do in order to fight this anti-Christian agenda.
To begin with you can contribute to groups that are already fighting the agenda of these activist organizations. Some of these groups include the ACLJ (www.aclj.org), The Thomas More Law Center (www.thomasmore.org ) , The Alliance Defense Fund (www.alliancedefensefund.org), The Rutherford Institute (www.rutherford.org), and The Stop the ACLU Coalition (www.stoptheaclu.org).
These groups actively fight the ACLU in the court systems. Many think this isn’t enough, because of the activist judges legislating new laws instead of interpreting them. Some want to sue the ACLU for violating their rights, and some want to lobby Congress to amend a now existing law (42 U.S.C., Section 1988, of the United States Code) which allows judges to award attorney fees to plaintiffs in civil-rights cases brought against local governments, thereby putting the taxpayers on the hook and oftentimes funneling public money to the ACLU. They want the law changed so cases involving the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment would not apply. Some want to form an organization to promote the awareness of the already existing organizations fighting the ACLU agenda. And others want to form an organization to counter the ACLU.
The truth is that all of these things need to be done. What it takes is organization, funds, and skills. It needs volunteers. The cause needs lawyers willing to work pro-bono towards suing the ACLU and defending religious liberty against them. It needs people with computer skills to set up websites to promote the cause. It needs people with funds to back the cause. It needs leadership skills and organization from people who care.
In summary, the fight to preserve religious liberty needs to be centralized and focused. We need to make everyone aware of the assault that is taking place around them, and what they can do to stop it. It needs a united front of people who care. It needs a call to arms. I call on all those who care about religious freedom to unite and fight….before its too late. John Stephenson
Contact info: john.stephenson@rs.af.mil
One more time -- It's more than just religious freedom. Religion/morality/etc. is only one of the battlegrounds between American citizens and the Legal Industry's control of the WHOLE governmental landscape of our country.
We've lost more ground altogether than we ever realized, and it's to those who "facilitate" our property rights, our courts, our interpretation of laws, etc., etc., etc.!
HDR
"the legal industry, unlike all other industrys, is exempt from public viewing of its self-policing."
Time to trot out yet another of my strategies: How about a campaign for the Popular Barring/Disbarring of Court Officials?
Not just electing judges--let the public vote whether to license/void licenses to practice law. The Constitution doesn't say we have to have an "electoral college" type organization (the bar assns.) for attorneys/jurists.
I'm in. I've been in. Tell me what to do.
HDR
Whoever else has an ACLU ping list...add me. Let me know who you are and I'll add you to mine.
the activist tyrannical judges, lawyers and politicians have anice racket going, don't they?
They write the laws
they enforce the laws
they judge the laws
they collect from the laws
Ever wonder WHY we used to have the part of the Constitution that saud something about the SEPERATION OF POWERS?
No longer - now we have rule by judicial decree and there will be only one way to get our country back from these tyrants.
I wonder what would happen if everyone in the nation all at once refused to pay their taxes. :D
We prefer this one, Dil.
A revolution would happen in that case, but...very unlikely.
THEY tell us that the only way we can change these things is to run them through the courts. (More lucre for the industry, right?) Obviously, since it is their playground, they hold the cards, we are hopelessly naive laypeople, and the industry expresses its conflict-of-interests with the American citizenry BEST in the courts, change cannot happen there.
Where do you suggest? What do you suggest? How do we starve the legal industry's cash-cows? (What ARE its many cash-cows?)
Too passe. Also, they would take us to court and seize our property.
We've got to get very out of the box in more activist and OPENLY civil-disobedient ways. We have to be there together, though, black-white, liberal-conservative, fruit-bat-field-mouse.
HDR
In 1976, Congress passed the Civil Rights Attorneys Fee Awards Act, which was designed to encourage private lawyers to take on suits to protect civil and constitutional rights. The law provides that judges can order federal and state governments to pay legal fees to private lawyers who sued the government and won. The result has been a flood of civil rights cases in federal court. From The New American Feb. 2, 1987
It's an outrage that US law, passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches.
That means "values voters" have been footing the bill for the ACLU's launching a juggernaut to remove Ten Commandments images, Christmas creches and Christmas carols, taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and because they claim they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, not to see a creche of the Baby Jesus, not to hear Christmas carols. The ACLU has collected a huge amount of our tax dollars in this left-handed fundraiser for the ACLU.
FReepers can silence the ACLU with a bit of activism. We need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing Christian America. Congress must repeal laws enabling the ACLU's Christian-hating activities. Cut off the ACLU's funds and watch them disappear. Here's what we can do.
The IRS should determine whether the ACLU is properly accounting for all its tax-funded activities, whether it is inflating legal costs, and whether it is using tax dollars for the purposes stated. We need to know whether the ACLU is engaged in Enron-style accounting and spending practices.
REFERENCE SOURCE FOR ARGUING REPEAL TO CONGRESS
Apparently, when Congress contemplated the fee-shifting bill three decades ago, it never conceived that 42 U.S.C. §1988 would be used to secure fees in esoteric battles over the meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.
The statute gives a court "discretion" to award attorneys' fees to the prevailing party in civil rights cases.
Study of the legislative history of the statute reveals that Congress intended this statute to apply to civil rights abuses, including certain race and sex discrimination cases, but not to arguments about whether Judge Roy Moore is allowed to display the Ten Commandments in the Alabama courthouse.
During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6] In the recent First Amendment lawsuits filed by the ACLU, the tables are turned.
Small school districts and municipalities can either defend lawsuits and risk paying the ACLU's attorneys' fees if they lose, or they can voluntarily submit to the ACLU's view of the Constitution.
Even if lawsuits over the establishment clause somehow fall within 42 U.S.C. §1988, the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees.
In these cases, one would expect courts to withhold awarding fees. Since this is not happening, Congress must take immediate action to clarify 42 U.S.C. §1988 to explicitly exclude lawsuits related to the acknowledgement of God.
By what mechanism/law/idiocy is the ACLU taxpayer-funded?
MM
See post # 56 -- the one just before yours.
Put your house and senate representatives on the spot and demand an explanation!
HDR
Thank you SO MUCH for your reasoned "historical" lesson. We ALL have much we can learn from one another, especially if we get the legal industry out of our government's mix.
HDR
One more thing -- it isn't just the ACLU that needs the anal-probe. It is the legal industry altogether.
Hubert
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