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And when you've admitted that you just made that above claim up, then you can answer which plan registers *more* illegals.
Posted on 12/31/2004 5:43:33 AM PST by white trash redneck
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And when you've admitted that you just made that above claim up, then you can answer which plan registers *more* illegals.
Frum is wrong. It's not an "amnesty," it's a plea bargain...a way to convince currently anonymous illegals to register themselves and their employers with our government (finally).
Frum is in over his head in this discussion by the simple reason that he isn't mentally capable of discerning the difference between an "amnesty" (his word) from a "plea bargain (Bush's plan).
Sorry, not 'lashing' at you.......'lashing' about the same old reward plan (amnesties, 245(i)'s, etc.) all always *followed* with NO enforcement.
At least they will pay FICA and some income taxes.
From the looks of the crowded schools in TX, most have many dependants & will pay very little, if any in federal taxes. (average EIC check $1700, up to $4000 plus)
FICA.....they need to pay it, since they can collect it in 8 quarters now, working legally or *otherwise*.....:o(
Depends on the law... Some laws are criminally stupid.
OK. I am about the business of whether anything can be fashioned that is better than what we have now, that Bush will support. Tancredo is not president.
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President Bush, of course:
I propose a new temporary worker program that will match willing foreign workers with willing American employers, when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs. This program will offer legal status, as temporary workers, to the millions of undocumented men and women now employed in the United States, and to those in foreign countries who seek to participate in the program and have been offered employment here. This new system should be clear and efficient, so employers are able to find workers quickly and simply.All who participate in the temporary worker program must have a job, or, if not living in the United States, a job offer.
Only illegal aliens who can verify illegal employment will be accepted. Not all illegals can verify this, indeed, not all are employed in any way at all. Therefore:
"The Bush plan wouldn't register all of the illegal aliens currently here..."
And when you've admitted that you just made that above claim up, then you can answer which plan registers *more* illegals.
I'm not preoccupied with registering illegals, I want them to leave, and I want them not to be rewarded for breaking the law.
It is good to read your posts. Sanity lives.
This is not how plea bargains work. Under a plea bargain the defendant must cease breaking the law; he isn't given leave to continue violating it.
Frum is in over his head in this discussion by the simple reason that he isn't mentally capable of discerning the difference between an "amnesty" (his word) from a "plea bargain (Bush's plan).
LOL! You've misunderstood most of the mechanics of the Bush plan, which is an amnesty, but you're declaring that David Frum is over his head?
What are your credentials for determining David Frum's mental capabilities, and when did you examine him?
Don't confuse Super Patriotism with your lack of zeal! We are at WAR and Under ATTACK!There is not a Racist bone in my body and the "HUE" just Identifys the basic enemy we are facing worldwide. Its those like you who see things as strictly black and white. There are various degrees of color that figure into the mosaic!
Setting aside green cards, what's the difference between what you've outlined here and the Tancredo guest worker plan?
What S meant is that the illegal turns himself in, but then becomes only a guest, a status that at some point must "end." The bargain is that for turning oneself in, one gets to stay awhile longer - legally, but then must leave with the jaws of the law at that point really having teeth, unless one's turn in the queue for a green card has come up. Of course, the reality is that the stay will be until final exit, or retirement to Mexico where the cost of living is lower. S's plea bargain analogy actually has some merit, if one buys into the fig leaf.
The former illegals would have first dibs on the available jobs. It would be a two trench system. In reality, it would not make much difference, because the employers would hire first their former employees voluntarily, to the extent they can. But if it turns Bush on ... ?
If someone stole your car and the D.A. charged him a fee to let him keep it, how many mpg would your fig leaf get?
Well, he can only keep it for awhile, and then it must be returned to its owner, so the owner benefits by getting some use of thc car that would otherwise be gone forever, albeit with some extra miles on it.
Actually, what makes more sense, is that the illegals have first dibs on their former job, if not claimed by someone legal.
Actually that makes less sense. I withdraw it. I hate when that happens.
Guest workers, green cards, and no rewards for illegals would sell to just about everyone but Bush. I think even Tancredo might play along, but maybe that's my optimism.
Rewarding illegals is the whole ballgame for those who oppose the Bush plan, and for them the status quo is preferable to giving an inch on that. Bush can have just about everything else he wants for a historic immigration reform, but he will overreach and insist on legalizing illegal aliens, provoking a whole lot of ill will in the GOP that will not be beneficial to the rest of his agenda. He seems to have gotten it into his head that he has a mandate on something he soft-pedalled during the campaign.
No, Bush's plan is NOT President Reagan's 1985 amnesty, or any amnesty, for that matter.
It is a plea bargain. Illegals have to pay a fine. They have to register themselves and their employers. Those aren't the terms of an amnesty, but rather, are the terms of a plea bargain.
Yes, David Frum is in over his head in this discussion. Frum can't discern the difference between an "amnesty" from a "plea bargain."
Such a basic lack of mental acumen rules him out from further consideration.
If you are right, status quo ante it is. Bush migh feel constrained to buy off on opening up illegal jobs to legals, but I don't think he would feel forced to giving a job held by an illegal to some other guest worker, and bouncing the illegal. That is just the way it is. Bush I don't think likes the idea of a mass exodus of illegals already here. He needs to be "reassured" that many of them will come right back, and the deck is stacked in their favor to do so, even if the stacking really makes little practical difference. It is the appearance that counts.
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