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N.Y. Muslim group held at border
NY Daily News ^ | 12/30/2004 | LESLIE CASIMIR

Posted on 12/30/2004 2:08:16 PM PST by Marine Inspector

Carloads of Muslim New Yorkers, all U.S. citizens, were detained for hours by federal agents after they returned from an Islamic convention held in Toronto over the weekend. A Pace University student said she was asked by a border patrol officer at the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge crossing whether the wire in her bra was a weapon. A white Flushing resident said U.S. officials refused to tell her why she was being held for eight hours.

"It's just appalling," said Jean Tassi, 53. "If I didn't have on a head covering, I would have never been stopped."

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection official said agents acted on intelligence that conventioneers may have terrorists in their cars.

"We understand that most of these conferences are legitimate, but it is our duty, it is incumbent on us to verify the identity of everybody entering the U.S. - even citizens," said Kristi Clemens, a Washington spokeswoman. "I understand their frustration."

More than 30 people had attended "Reviving the Islamic Spirit" convention at the Skydome that was billed as a spiritually uplifting event.

"I refuse to be treated like this in my own country," said Miriam Soliman, 20, a Brooklyn-born finance major who said she was interrogated about her underwire bra.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aliens; bcbp; bigbrother; billofrights; bordersecurity; cbp; fingerprints; islam; muslimamericans; religionofpeace; terrowar; trop; usconstitution; waronterror; whiningmuslims; wtcattacks
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To: CAluvdubya
Companies fingerprint new employees.

"We go this far, so why not go thiiis far?"

Perhaps if you'd lay down how far you're willing to go, we won't have to keep playing these leapfrog games.

61 posted on 12/30/2004 3:25:12 PM PST by inquest (Now is the time to remove the leftist influence from the GOP. "Unity" can wait.)
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To: Marine Inspector

Targets Of Opportunity! Take the shot...


62 posted on 12/30/2004 3:26:06 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Marine Inspector

"I wanted to see what people would post, without knowing this particular fact. It's very eye opening."

You have still not SAID that they were in fact photographed or printed - or if so, how you came by this knowledge.

It is interesting sometimes to throw out "bait" like that, but it does reflect on your qualifications in later discussions.


63 posted on 12/30/2004 3:26:51 PM PST by RS
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To: Marine Inspector
"It's just appalling," said Jean Tassi, 53. "If I didn't have on a head covering, I would have never been stopped."

Correction: if 19 Islamist hikackers had not murdered over 3,000 people, she would not have been stopped, because we'd still be wallowing in blissful ignorance.

As for American citizenship, the Lackawanna 7 are American citizens, Jihad Johnny is an American citizen, the beltway sniper is an American citizen and so is the creep who fragged the command tent in Kuwait. All of these people have two things in common....I wonder if she can tell us what they are?

64 posted on 12/30/2004 3:27:22 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Happy2BMe
If I was the least bit computer literate enough, I would have taken the four pictures of those terrorists and placed targets on their heads. But since I'm not, maybe someone will help me do it. lol
65 posted on 12/30/2004 3:27:44 PM PST by antiunion person (Everything I Say is Fully Substantiated by my Own Opinion)
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To: Marine Inspector
Describe a Muslim?

Easy to pick em out of a line-up...Show them this photo...those guys that say "cute" are Muslims...


66 posted on 12/30/2004 3:29:35 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: RS
You have still not SAID that they were in fact photographed or printed - or if so, how you came by this knowledge.

Do a google search. The article was in the Arizona Republic and the USA Today. In both article, it clearly states that they were fingerprinted and photographed.

67 posted on 12/30/2004 3:30:04 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector

I would say if people like our nationality were killing other people at a whim, then it would be justified.


68 posted on 12/30/2004 3:31:29 PM PST by marvlus
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To: Marine Inspector

And what would you say, if CBP did the same to you?

No problem. The DMV took my prints and photo, I've nothing to worry about


69 posted on 12/30/2004 3:31:52 PM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: antiunion person

What post are you referring to of this thread?


70 posted on 12/30/2004 3:32:39 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything-It castrates their stranglehold at the lowest level.")
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To: pierrem15

I've gotten the 3rd degree from the CPB, including being held and having my id checked, on more than one occasion.

It usually happens after the CBP asks, "do you or anyone in your family own a firearm, and, if so, how many and what kind... ?"


I got a similar grilling from CBP more than 10 years ago for the suspicious offense of having a Texas drivers liscense


71 posted on 12/30/2004 3:36:31 PM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: Happy2BMe

Check out my post #66...I think I am on the cutting edge of new technology for Muslim identification at the borders...


72 posted on 12/30/2004 3:37:38 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: RS
It is interesting sometimes to throw out "bait" like that, but it does reflect on your qualifications in later discussions.

Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)

Notice the Tag Lie.

I fingerprint and photograph people everyday. 500,000,000 enter the US yearly and there are less the 10,000 of us CBP Officers. Were quite busy

I've detained, questioned and searched more folks from the Middle East then I care to remember, but I find this to be the start of a very disturbing trend. Can you physically describe a Muslim to me? Who gets to decide who is and who is not a Muslim?

73 posted on 12/30/2004 3:37:57 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: inquest

I have nothing to hide. Why should I be afraid to be fingerprinted? On principle? I also think one should show ID in order to cast a vote. Call me crazy, but it is just not a horrible thing to me to be identified by my fingerprint. I have not heard what your solution is to tracking immigration. Have I missed a post?


74 posted on 12/30/2004 3:38:36 PM PST by CAluvdubya (From the RED part of California)
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To: Marine Inspector

Interesting - from
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/041229/w122974.html



"I asked 'If I refuse to give my fingerprints, what will you do?' " said Galeb Rizek, 32, who claimed he arrived at the border around midnight and was held until 6:30 a.m. "(The agent) said, 'You can refuse, but you'll be here until you do.' "

It must run in the "family" - this agent appears to be threatening this person with unlimited detention unless they submit ... is this normal procedure ?

Do agents have legal backing to make these sort of threats, to actually hold them forever, or is it an accepted ploy to make the person submit ?


75 posted on 12/30/2004 3:39:28 PM PST by RS
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To: weenie
Ooops! (Nice Try - butcha gotta pick the female of the species - discriminating diaperheads DO know the difference!)
76 posted on 12/30/2004 3:39:56 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything-It castrates their stranglehold at the lowest level.")
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To: Marine Inspector

Personally, I find it disturbing that CBP is starting to detain and fingerprinting US citizens returning home.

What is disturbing about that? Sure it's an inconvenience, but what harm is there? Eye scan them too for all I care


77 posted on 12/30/2004 3:40:30 PM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: Marine Inspector

Why do you assume that this is limited to only Muslims?


78 posted on 12/30/2004 3:40:53 PM PST by CAluvdubya (From the RED part of California)
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To: Happy2BMe

You know that Muslims don't care about minor details like gender...If you show them a young boy goat and they say "cute"...you're probably looking at an imam.


79 posted on 12/30/2004 3:41:38 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: RS
Do agents have legal backing to make these sort of threats, to actually hold them forever, or is it an accepted ploy to make the person submit ?

Not that I know off. I also don't know of any law that allows me to fingerprint US Citizens. I can site a few laws that say I can't.

As a CBP Officer, I find this to be disturbing.

80 posted on 12/30/2004 3:42:04 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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