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What Happened To The Rare Tribes (Tsunami)
Times Of India ^ | 12-28-2004 | Sanjay Dutta/Chandrika Mago

Posted on 12/28/2004 6:34:30 PM PST by blam

What happened to the rare tribes?

SANJAY DUTTA & CHANDRIKA MAGO

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 28, 2004 11:19:06 PM

NEW DELHI: An enormous anthropological disaster is in the making. The killer tsunami is feared to have wiped out entire tribes — already threatened by their precariously small numbers — perhaps rendering them extinct and snapping the slender tie with a lost generation.

Officials involved in rescue operations are pessimistic, but still keeping their fingers crossed for the Sentinelese and Nicobarese, the two tribes seen as bearing the brunt of the killer wave.

The bigger fear is for the Sentinelese, anthropologically the most important tribe, living on the flat North Sentinel Island. Putting their population at about 100, officials say no body count is possible as the tribe had remained isolated. The Nicobarese, numbering about 25,000, are also feared to have suffered major losses, if not near -extinction. Clustered in 12 villages along the coast of Car Nicobar, the worst affected, it is feared nearly half of them could have been engulfed by the giant wave.

Then there are the Chowra and Teresa islands, mostly inhabited by the Nicobarese. Chowra has reported 38 deaths from a total population of 1,500. Here, too, the picture is hazy. The Onges, living on the Little Andaman island, are expected to fare a little better. So far, 14 deaths have been reported from the island. Some of these would be Onges. To begin with, they just number a 100.

The Shompens, Great Andamanese and Jarawas are expected to have fared better as they live on comparatively higher grounds. But their small number could be working against them.


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To: Baraonda
I haven't changed a bit because of this tragedy.

What is it like to have such an incredibly small perception of historic world events?

The topography of the earth changed. It isn't always about you.

101 posted on 12/29/2004 1:05:20 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: geopyg
Not too hard to believe - a drop in 20 to 30 feet in elevation near the epicenter could submerge a low island.

No doubt. You probably read about the absence of ANY effect at Diego Garcia; highest point 22' above sea level. Turns out Diego Garcia apparently has a very small or non-existent shelf. Hence, nothing for the tsunami to rise and break on, so it just went around the island. Interesting.

FGS

102 posted on 12/29/2004 1:09:21 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: AntiGuv
Unless I'm mistaken, the Sentinelese are the last completely isolated tribe in the world. When they say "all efforts at initiating contact have proved unsuccessful" they mean it. We don't even know what they call themselves. I guess we'll never know now..

Yup you are mistaken. When they say ALL what they mean is their (the anthropologinst's) efforts were rebuffed.They don't sit there 24/7 watching these people you know, they have grant applications to write, and impressionable college students to indoctrinate.

These islands were periodically occupied by various other powers, from the Dutch, to the Japanese during WWII. Quite likely that's where they learned to be warry of outsiders - something about having your wives and sisters taken for "Comfort Women" tends to do that to you.

103 posted on 12/29/2004 1:27:38 AM PST by konaice
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To: rwfromkansas

Those are amazing pictures!!! WOW.


104 posted on 12/29/2004 3:14:10 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Do onto Muslims as they would most certainly do onto you)
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To: NautiNurse

I wanted to bash him over his head for that statment, but you did a good job explaining to him his place in the world.


105 posted on 12/29/2004 3:21:27 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Do onto Muslims as they would most certainly do onto you)
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To: konaice

Ummm...... The "unless I'm mistaken" refers to whether there are any other completely isolated tribes. I know for a fact that the Sentinelese are (were) completely isolated....

I don't know what gave you your concept of the region, but North Sentinel Island was never occupied by the Dutch, the Japanese, or anyone else except the Sentinelese. If anyone was there before them, we'll never know. The island is too small and out-of-the-way for anyone else to have bothered with it. The contact efforts have resulted in them either vanishing into the forest or shooting arrows from the treetops. The one vaguely friendly interaction was in 1991 when a few ventured to the beach unarmed to accept some gifts left by an expedition.

No one has ever spoken with them, or even knows what kind of language they speak. I don't know why you make something up and post it if you don't know anything about it...


106 posted on 12/29/2004 3:27:07 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: USMMA_83

I am truly curious to know what it's like to be so completely self-absorbed.


107 posted on 12/29/2004 4:10:12 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
Interesting info noted on the CNN website:

The USGS team in Pasadena, California, also was studying more detailed satellite images on Tuesday to determine if the scraping of one plate over another plowed up enough debris on the ocean floor to block the port of Banda Aceh in Sumatra where international aid was headed.

Large earthquakes in the last decade in Kobe, Japan, and Golcuk, Turkey, deformed the coastlines and rendered their ports inoperable after the crises, Hudnut said.

108 posted on 12/29/2004 4:42:41 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: geopyg

Within the Adaman and Nicobar group of islands there are about 500 individual islands. I agree with you, it is not unimaginable that some could have just disappeared.


109 posted on 12/29/2004 5:06:24 AM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers.....and their families)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Ah, yes, TOBA, which is also located INLAND. The far smaller Krakatoa used to be INLAND until 538. That's when Sumatra and Java were still one island. Unfortunately Krakatoa, at the Eastern end of the Sunda Strait, was much closer to the ocean. The steam formed at the time of eruption/collapse/magmaflow seriously amplifies the production of fine particulates, and that's what takes out civilization.

I'm not too sure I care to have ANY big Indonesian volcanos going off anytime.

And then there's Iceland!

110 posted on 12/29/2004 6:19:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: NautiNurse
Interesting, thanks.

"LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- The massive earthquake that devastated parts of Asia permanently moved the tectonic plates beneath the Indian Ocean as much as 98 feet (30 meters), slightly shifting islands near Sumatra an unknown distance, U.S. scientists said on Tuesday."

111 posted on 12/29/2004 6:42:34 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

112 posted on 12/29/2004 6:44:00 AM PST by blam
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To: derheimwill

Gosh, I'm only 49 so I can't help you. I should've used the term "extinct in the wild" on the monitor lizard. At any rate, I'm sure there are eco-nuts out there who are much more worried about what might have happened to the lizards than what has happened to the people in that region, so I'll happily drop the subject. Happy New Year.


113 posted on 12/29/2004 6:49:55 AM PST by WestTexasWend
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To: Baraonda

Don't be silly. Eurotrash are atheists. They haven't been to a church in years. They won't even mention God in their constitution. You and I must be talking about two different beasts.

Theocons are a different matter, but they aren't eurotrash, they're real Europeans. I doubt many of them show up as degraded package tourists on southeast Asian beaches.

I know what I saw on the beaches of Thailand, some of those people are unbelievably rude slobs.


114 posted on 12/29/2004 6:59:32 AM PST by Kitten Festival (The Thug of Caracas has got to go.)
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To: AntiGuv; TexanToTheCore
Tsunamis radiate in a circle, of course, so there would have been waves aimed at Bangladesh. I suspect that the reason they didn't get hit was because the northern end of Sumatra angles & curves northwest, and the epicenter was tucked up close to the island several miles SE of the tip.

The Nicobar & Andaman islands to the north of Sumatra may have shielded Bangladesh as well, though they were hit hard.

The tsunami waves moved east and west from the earthquake, and Bangladesh was almost directly to the north so it was spared.

115 posted on 12/29/2004 9:34:09 AM PST by Ready4Freddy (Carpe Sharpei !)
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To: muawiyah
I'm not too sure I care to have ANY big Indonesian volcanos going off anytime.

True enough. Not that there's anything we can do about it, but it seems this very large earthquake could trigger volcanic activity in the area. Someone on another thread implied there was no connection between earthquakes and volcanoes, but I'm not so sure. If one of the big ones blow it'll all be sortof academic anyway.

FGS

116 posted on 12/29/2004 10:18:15 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: eccentric

Probably not. Everytime modern humans come in contact with these people we bring germs and kill them off.


117 posted on 12/31/2004 2:18:03 PM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: blam; Shermy
Thanks Shermy for the link: King of Stone Age tribe to return to jungle to rebuild lives
118 posted on 01/12/2005 4:44:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (the US population in the year 2100 will exceed a billion, perhaps even three billion.)
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