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Are humans programmed to worship? (The article Rush is looking for?)
Holland Sentinel Online ^ | 11-13-04 | Bill Broadway

Posted on 12/13/2004 10:00:21 AM PST by Matchett-PI

TALKING: Author and behavioral geneticist Dean Hamer talks at his home in Washington. (Washington Post photo by Juana Arias)

Are humans programmed to worship? Author says people have genetic propensity toward religious belief

By Bill Broadway The Washington Post

WASHINGTON -- Dean Hamer has received much criticism for his new book, "The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired Into Our Genes."

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(Excerpt) Read more at hollandsentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bookreview; deanhamer; faith; genetics; godgene; ssdd
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To: joesnuffy

See #40.


41 posted on 12/13/2004 11:22:29 AM PST by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Matchett-PI
The Left has an agenda and this guy Hamer is busily engaged in advancing it. You've missed the whole point.

Actually, I haven't missed the point, but merely partially agreed with the article. And I don't intend to drag you into anything. Of course the Left has an agenda! It's had one ever since Marx published his "Communist Manifesto." I am inalterably opposed to the Left and its agenda. However, I am also capable of acknowledging the obvious regarding the role that genetics (nature) and those to whom we're born (nurture) play in shaping our lives.

42 posted on 12/13/2004 11:26:26 AM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: Wolfstar

Here is a good explanation of our spiritual selves, And why God created us the way he did. It's too long to post here, and chopping it up doesn't do it justice.

http://www.goodnewschristianministry.org/clockchapter2.htm


43 posted on 12/13/2004 11:27:36 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Matchett-PI

Everything we do, we do by choice.


44 posted on 12/13/2004 11:28:12 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Nuzcruizer

Thanks. I'll definitely read it.


45 posted on 12/13/2004 11:29:24 AM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: Matchett-PI
From a speech by Michael Crichton:
I studied anthropology in college, and one of the things I learned was that certain human social structures always reappear. They can't be eliminated from society. One of those structures is religion. Today it is said we live in a secular society in which many people---the best people, the most enlightened people---do not believe in any religion. But I think that you cannot eliminate religion from the psyche of mankind. If you suppress it in one form, it merely re-emerges in another form. You can not believe in God, but you still have to believe in something that gives meaning to your life, and shapes your sense of the world. Such a belief is religious.

Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.

There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe.

ML/NJ
46 posted on 12/13/2004 11:30:49 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: squirt-gun

the muslim "god" isn't the same as the Jewish-Christian God. Our press, dumb as ever, keeps making the mistake of thinking it is.
The Mulim god, who's NAME is "Allah" (no, Allah does not mean god in Arabic, ilhah does) is the complete opposite of the one true God, in fact it's His arch enemy. Muslims are tricked into believing that their Allah is the true God. If you read how islam began, you'd have no doubt as to who it really is. Here is a good read:
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/toc.html


49 posted on 12/13/2004 11:39:33 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Nuzcruizer

Good point.

The left seems to fear people taking actions "in God's name. What I fear about the left is that they are basically saying there ARE no rules, other than what they think up and agree on.

Scary.


50 posted on 12/13/2004 11:39:48 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: Matchett-PI
So now the guy who gave the world the so-called gay-gene ("once gay, always gay" -- with apologies to Calvin), says there's a religion gene too?

The existence of genetic religiousity would explain a lot, and absolve me of a lot of responsibility. I didn't choose this Christian lifestyle after all. Who would choose this way of life, with the rejection and ridicule that goes with it? Why, in some countries were hunted and killed...

I'll tell ya whut, it breathes new meaning into my tagline!!!!!

51 posted on 12/13/2004 11:41:04 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: squirt-gun
Not everyone who worships God believes they will exist in a "hereafter".
52 posted on 12/13/2004 11:47:59 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: blackie
Everything we do, we do by choice.

With respect, Blackie, that simply isn't true. Examples abound, but let me give you just a few:

Example 1: The child born with a severe congenital or genetic defect -- say, cerebral palsy -- is born into a highly limited life. By being born with such a condition, a kid is predestined to a childhood centered on doctors, hospitals, suffering and an inability to do what healthy children do.

Example 2: A woman born into one of the repressive fundamentalist Muslim religions has few choices open to her. She may or may not receive an education. She may be forced to undergo clitoral amputation. She may be forced to wear a burkha in public, and so on.

Example 3: Even in comparatively free societies like our own, our choices are limited by government edict. A sizeable percentage of our income is taken off the top in income and payroll taxes. We must register our cars and carry drivers licenses. We must obtain permits and comply with building codes and ordinances when remodeling our homes. If we cannot afford to home school or send our kids to private schools, we must accept the public school curriculum. We must work to earn an income. And so on.

Simple common sense and reason tells us the obvious -- that to a considerable degree, our lives are shaped before we're born.

Before folks misunderstand, I am not trying to distrupt this thread. Instead, I'm commenting on the point of the article, which is that there may be a "God gene." I don't know if there is nor not, but our genes (and the familities into which we're born) do shape a large part of who we are and the range of choices we'll have in life.

53 posted on 12/13/2004 11:48:06 AM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: Matchett-PI
Although people can change or abandon that religious affiliation, they cannot rid themselves of the genetic propensity to be spiritual.

Hmmm. How about this:

Although people can change or abandon that religious affiliation sexual orientation, they cannot rid themselves of the genetic propensity to be spiritual sexual.

Oh, wait, that's not PC to admit that the expression of underlying propensities can be (gasp) changed.

54 posted on 12/13/2004 11:52:04 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: Wolfstar

Get a grip Wolf ~ what have you been forced to do.


55 posted on 12/13/2004 11:54:06 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Rytwyng
Hamer wouldn't say that. He would say:

Although people can change or abandon that sexual behavior, they cannot rid themselves of the genetic propensity toward a sexual orientation.

56 posted on 12/13/2004 12:01:38 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: little jeremiah

"The truth is that everyone has a God-shaped hole in their hearts."

Could you perhaps cite the scripture that states this?


57 posted on 12/13/2004 12:07:00 PM PST by The Lumster (I am not ashamed of the gospel it is the power of God to all who believe)
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To: blackie

Many of the same things you've been required to do. It really surprises me that you (and others) simply refuse to acknowledge God's truth. If you believe that God causes us to be born, then what follows is that He chooses our parents, the society into which we are born, whether or not we'll be born healthy, and so on. In other words, He sets us on a life path. We are responsible for negotiating that path and of being good custodians of the life He gave us. What is so hard to understand about that?


58 posted on 12/13/2004 12:12:26 PM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: Wolfstar

What is so hard for you to understand that God gave us choices?

Take off the blinders and see the light ~ it will set you free.


59 posted on 12/13/2004 12:15:05 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Matchett-PI

As St. Ignatius of Loyola said of God, "Our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee."


60 posted on 12/13/2004 12:20:13 PM PST by SuziQ (W: STILL the President)
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