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Republicans warn of party split over immigration
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | 12/03/04 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 12/03/2004 10:10:21 AM PST by gubamyster

By Stephen Dinan

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

When House Republicans blocked the intelligence overhaul bill two weeks ago, some congressional Republicans say they were showing President Bush he will split the party if he goes ahead with his broader immigration-reform plan.

"It would cause a break in the party that would be extremely unhealthy for the party," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican and chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus. "I can tell you right now, the feelings are deep. This is not a superficial argument with the president.

"We were all willing to shut up during the campaign. We were not going to attack the president. But the campaign is over with and the gloves are off on this issue," Mr. Tancredo said.

He echoed the sentiments of several Republicans who emerged from a House Republican Conference discussion Nov. 20 on the intelligence bill, which they insist include strict national standards to ensure illegal aliens don't acquire driver's licenses.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; borders; bushamnesty; gop; gopmodsquad; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; nationalsecurity; rino; saveourlicenses; vincenteiscorrupt; waronterror; youdontsay
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To: gubamyster
"I can tell you right now, the feelings are deep. This is not a superficial argument with the president." - Tom Tancredo

Exactly, and that's why Rove has expressly forbidden the good congressman from ever "darkening the halls of the White House again." A Rep demanding that we actually take effective action to prevent terrorists and other law-breakers from entering the country is evidently unacceptable to this White House.

81 posted on 12/03/2004 11:43:33 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Nachum
Bush is wrong on this one. Very

Priority #1: Keep those GOP coffers filled with donations from companies that demand cheap (illegal) labor. .....and thus open borders.

National defense is a distant second. (And that's giving them the benefit of the doubt).

82 posted on 12/03/2004 11:47:02 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Modernman
It's the rebuttal your thoughtless post deserved.

Self-styled "conservatives" who reflexively blame the "religious right" for the GOP schism on the issue of abortion want the issue to go away by removing the pro-life plank from the GOP platform. This colludes with a secularist social agenda that devalues life and denies the Judeo-Christian moral basis of our society, our traditions and our Constitution. In truth, these people couldn't care less about the sanctity of innocent human life or the violence abortion inflicts on the human conscience. They selfishly see it as a nettlesome hindrance to their blindly self-centered goals. Just like the communists (and unlike our Founders), they believe man is his own moral compass. If you google this under "remove the pro-life plank" or "libertarian position on abortion," you can spend all day reading about their cherished vision of marginalizing God and those on the right who believe, as the Founding Fathers did, that no scheme of government will work without obedience to God.

83 posted on 12/03/2004 11:51:15 AM PST by Bonaparte (Of course, it must look like an accident...)
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To: Alcibiades
Sacrifice the borders in the name of the mighty Latino vote.

It's about trolling for votes, political correctness, and (as I mentioned in post #81) scratching the backs of illegal alien-employing campaign contributors.

84 posted on 12/03/2004 11:53:14 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo; Alcibiades

post #81 = post #82


85 posted on 12/03/2004 11:54:53 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Modernman
Furthermore, I'm a "soft" opponent of gay marriage- I do not want to see gay marriage forced upon us by the courts, but I think states should be allowed to decide the issue for themselves (so long as other states can opt to ignore gay marriages from states that do allow it).

How do you propose that these gays that are married file their federal taxes?

Do they get the married tax rates?

It seems that these issues are always more complicated when looked at in depth. The libs also always seem to go for the money.

Is it okay for a state to determine the status of gays (married or not) and send the bill to Washington for all to pay?
86 posted on 12/03/2004 11:58:42 AM PST by WhatHappenedtoAmerica
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To: Modernman
Your right on one. and wrong on two. There is not a The religious right's social agenda. If anything there is a LEFT anti-religion agenda.
With 1. Take out God,
2. Demonize church goers
3. Make perversion seem like the norm
4. Berate our icons: i.e. the boy scouts, strong men, military.
5. Ridicule anything that is American Culture and Values; i.e. so called same sex unions ( I will not use the “M” word out of respect.)

Look at Denver. For 30 years they had a Christmas Parade , First they change the name to Parade of lights, then they open it to include just about every perversion and group, then they kick out the Christians and the words Merry Christmas. How can they have a parade of inclusion and exclude 90% of the people? Gay Indians are OK, but Straight Christians need not apply.

IT IS THE LEFT THAT IS OUT TO DESTROY US AND THE RIGHT THAT IS TRYING TO BRING US BACK TO SANITY.

87 posted on 12/03/2004 12:02:52 PM PST by Exton1
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To: Modernman

Also, have you heard or read recently about how suits brought against organizations under the title "civil rights" have their legal expenses paid for by the taxpayer?

No wonder the ALCU, NOW, and the NAACP are always filing suits - it's how they make their money, whether or not they win in court.

They use your money to try to have the courts overturn things you may believe in or support.

It's never been just "live and let live" with these people. It's always about the money. That goes for the pro-immigration crowd as well.


88 posted on 12/03/2004 12:03:13 PM PST by WhatHappenedtoAmerica
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To: Bonaparte
Self-styled "conservatives" who reflexively blame the "religious right" for the GOP schism on the issue of abortion want the issue to go away by removing the pro-life plank from the GOP platform.

That's a generalization.

In truth, these people couldn't care less about the sanctity of innocent human life or the violence abortion inflicts on the human conscience

Again, a generalization not based on fact.

Just like the communists (and unlike our Founders), they believe man is his own moral compass.

See my first two comments above.

Social conservatives have to realize that they're not the only members of the GOP. Of course, it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. If social conservatives act that way, they'll soon find that they ARE the only members of the GOP.

89 posted on 12/03/2004 12:06:05 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I talked directly (face-to-face) with one of Tancredo's aides. She confirmed that Rove had indeed told him not to darken the halls of the White House


90 posted on 12/03/2004 12:07:12 PM PST by WhatHappenedtoAmerica
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To: WhatHappenedtoAmerica
How do you propose that these gays that are married file their federal taxes?

Up until recently, they would have been better off filing as two single people, rather than filing as a married couple. If the federal government doesn't recognize gay marriage, then gays are no worse off tax wise.

Is it okay for a state to determine the status of gays (married or not) and send the bill to Washington for all to pay?

I'm not sure what kind of bill there would be.

91 posted on 12/03/2004 12:08:37 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: gubamyster

Bookmark


92 posted on 12/03/2004 12:08:51 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: ApesForEvolution

Hello Captain Hyperbole! :D


93 posted on 12/03/2004 12:08:58 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: buffyt
.... It is a HOT issue.

And it's likely to get yet even hotter before this over.

ps
Hi there lady.

94 posted on 12/03/2004 12:10:11 PM PST by Ron H. (Immigration to America has always been a privilege and never a right!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

"riority #1: Keep those GOP coffers filled with donations from companies that demand cheap (illegal) labor. .....and thus open borders."

Capitalism without concience.


95 posted on 12/03/2004 12:13:28 PM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: Modernman
Up until recently, they would have been better off filing as two single people, rather than filing as a married couple. If the federal government doesn't recognize gay marriage, then gays are no worse off tax wise.

Here, you are assuming that they both work. If only one works, it is much cheaper to file as "married." The bill they would send to Washington is this tax break. Someone has to make up of the difference. That someone is the rest of us.

96 posted on 12/03/2004 12:14:47 PM PST by WhatHappenedtoAmerica
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To: gubamyster
said Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican and chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus. "I can tell you right now, the feelings are deep. This is not a superficial argument with the president.

Tom is telling it like it is. A lot of Republicans labor under the delusion that Bush can be cajoled into dropping his Amnesty for Illegal Aliens plans and other such open borders endeavors. Nothing can be further from reality. Bush is very much an advocate of Mexico's Invasion of America, illegal immigration, and a borderless America.

He is far beyond any and all reason on this issue. Only the Congress can stop Bush from implementing his open border plans with Mexico. Even then, Bush will continue to allow the status quo of mass illegal immigration from Mexico to continue unhindered. Draw your own conclusions as to what the real solution is.

97 posted on 12/03/2004 12:16:01 PM PST by WRhine (When America ceases to make manufactured goods, what do we trade with the rest of the world?)
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To: MegaSilver
Love your tagline. Someone has it right.

Now, if we could only get it through the thick headed OBL types around here and the rest of their ilk.




98 posted on 12/03/2004 12:17:00 PM PST by Ron H. (Immigration to America has always been a privilege and never a right!)
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To: blakep
As much as I love the President, I frankly wish he would spend his "political capital" on something else.
99 posted on 12/03/2004 12:18:22 PM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Uncle Vlad
As much as I love the President, I frankly wish he would spend his "political capital" on something else.

He won't. Bush has made this very clear. And isn't it interesting that he would spend his precious political capital on something that only advances the interests of Mexico and the cheap labor lobby instead of reforming Social Security? This speaks volumes about Bush's priorities and where he is coming from.

100 posted on 12/03/2004 12:24:40 PM PST by WRhine (When America ceases to make manufactured goods, what do we trade with the rest of the world?)
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