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School Bus Driver Fired for Stem Cell Talk
Associated Press ^ | 12/2/04

Posted on 12/02/2004 3:56:16 PM PST by reportgirl73

GRAND ISLAND, N.Y. (AP) - An elementary school bus driver was fired after sharing a statistic she had read about embryonic stem cell research with students, then encouraging them to tell their parents about it.

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To: general_re

This is precisely what I'm talking about. I know the admins want to clean up this kind of abuse of the system, but it's difficult to prove.


561 posted on 12/06/2004 4:59:57 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

You keep chasing that unicorn if it makes you happy. I'm the guy who was here long before you came along, and I'll be here long after you're gone.


562 posted on 12/06/2004 5:06:46 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: AndyTheBear
Not much of an assumption. Seemed pretty clear from the context. But since you feel a need to back track, go ahead and clarify your argument--because with this adjustment it is essentialy non existant.

I get the feeling that the only argument you will accept is one that agrees with your viewpoint. I have a feeling you'll find flaws with any others. Am I correct?

563 posted on 12/06/2004 5:08:16 PM PST by Amelia
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To: general_re
When the thread about a pro-ESCR schoolbus driver gets posted, I trust you'll ping me.

ESCR is not a dirty topic. It's a dirty deed.

564 posted on 12/06/2004 8:38:42 PM PST by syriacus (Who wanted Margaret Hassan murdered? What did she know about the oil-for-food scandal?)
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To: AndyTheBear
"It is OK to do good things when driving a bus. It is not OK to do bad things when driving a bus."

That is correct. And if it is against policy for bus drivers to 'teach' the riders of their buses, then it would be a bad thing to do so.

You would expect employees to adhere to policy, would you not?

"Now don't blame me if I am a little, (a lot (no a whole heck of a lot)) patronizing."

Oh, I understand. People generally revert to being patronizing when they have no real basis to their argument.

565 posted on 12/07/2004 7:12:27 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: NavyCaptain
Wouldn't do this to a teacher, academic freedom and all!

Oh, they would. The Cupertino, California school district is messing with a history teacher because he passed out copies of the Declaration. It references God, don't you know, very, very dangerous...

566 posted on 12/07/2004 8:23:33 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: nmh
I hate to say it but...maybe that is why she is a BUS DRIVER.

I think you owe the lady an apology. It would also be good to explain why you think she shouldn't be able to say something about stem cells without being fired.

567 posted on 12/07/2004 8:47:30 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance copywriter looking for business.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

You say that Jesus is not propaganda. Jews think it is. Mormon's think it is. Each person has a right to their own religious beliefs. If someone doesn't believe in your religion are they wrong?


568 posted on 12/07/2004 9:49:38 AM PST by MizzouTigerRepublican (82nd ABN Gulf war vet)
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To: The Mayor
The trouble with the whole story is that it is a he said, she said problem. Who knows who is telling the truth. I would guess that the truth lie somewhere in the middle as almost always does when it involves a he said, she said problem.
569 posted on 12/07/2004 9:53:08 AM PST by MizzouTigerRepublican (82nd ABN Gulf war vet)
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To: MEGoody
Oh, I understand. People generally revert to being patronizing when they have no real basis to their argument.

But with bears, we do it when we are winning.

570 posted on 12/07/2004 10:04:55 AM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: general_re
Getting a little testy are we?

You seem a bit bitter about my audacity in making a value judgment on what is reasonable. Even mocking me about thinking my judgment is the only universal standard.

Interesting. After much debate, no post (that I've seen) on your side has weighed in on whether or not the actions of the bus driver were reasonable in themselves--without the context of the rights of the parents, or the limitations of being a bus driver, or something about tax money.

I never meant to disinvest anyone from weighing in on it, you avoided it by your own accord. After so many posts, I have to take this as an admission that you are wrong.

Unless, as others desperately invested in your side of the argument have asserted, that parents have some kind of absolute right to control what their kids here in the public schools

Now you are even calling people on your own side of the arguments names. Dianna may have been mistaken when she insisted that either the parents or the state have control over what their kids are exposed to, and she did make it very clear there was no other possible alternatives...and she therefore concluded the right should go to the parents.

This may be a silly fallacious argument, but it does not mean she either made of straw, nor does it mean she is really a man!

After all, Andy Knows Best

Not always. I am quite fallible. Like a few posts back when I took "my ursine friend" to be an insult--later I looked it up and found it meant "bear like"--appropriate considering my screen name (and understandably I expect you will point this out in a post I have not read yet). So no I am certainly not always right. Just because you are getting creamed in this debate does not mean I'm arrogant.

571 posted on 12/07/2004 10:31:04 AM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Amelia
I get the feeling that the only argument you will accept is one that agrees with your viewpoint. I have a feeling you'll find flaws with any others. Am I correct?

Absolutely, when I find flaws in my arguments I change my view point. Don't you?

572 posted on 12/07/2004 10:34:09 AM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: general_re
What the?!? I was wide open man...you had me! That is just so pathetic. You kept getting creamed, again and again on the bus driver issue. And then your chance to get your revenge in the "gotcha" contest...and man, oh man you blew it. I guess I feel kinda sorry for you.

I made a huge blunder by assuming you insulted me before I looked ursine up in the dictionary. So I went to bed last night expecting to wake up to some humble pie, and instead you not only completely miss it, but good gravy: you've just gone and insulted me for real. What gives--but by your own rule, this serves as a white flag though. Game over man, game over (seriously I have some overdue code to write)...

573 posted on 12/07/2004 10:45:42 AM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: MizzouTigerRepublican
If someone doesn't believe in your religion are they wrong?

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (emphasis added)

Acts 26:12-15 - Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

574 posted on 12/07/2004 12:07:21 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: AndyTheBear
Absolutely, when I find flaws in my arguments I change my view point. Don't you?

Yes, I do, but I'm not wrong this time. You might want to examine your argument a bit more closely. ;-)

575 posted on 12/07/2004 12:09:24 PM PST by Amelia
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To: AndyTheBear
"But with bears, we do it when we are winning."

Dream on, Alice. You'll get to Wonderland some day.

576 posted on 12/07/2004 12:11:24 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: AndyTheBear

By the way, you didn't answer the question. Do you expect employees to adhere to policies set forth by their employers?


577 posted on 12/07/2004 12:12:01 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Amelia
Yes, I do, but I'm not wrong this time. You might want to examine your argument a bit more closely. ;-)

I have examined my arguments, quite methodically, and I do not see any flaws at this time. If you really see any, I honestly would like to know--though I'm even more dubious of the carefulness of your own thinking after your ironic embrace of traits you seemed to think were negative when you recently suggested I had them.

578 posted on 12/07/2004 12:28:48 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: MEGoody
Do you expect employees to adhere to policies set forth by their employers?

Sorry about this. My answer is, unfortunetly, both tedius, obvious, and pedestrian, and I think you will find it does not help your argument.

The short answer is sometimes. The long explination is that sometimes an employee does not follow policies. Usually this means the employee is out of line, but some times it means the policy is out of line. In both cases out of line can be in the context of cultural morality, religious morality, social morality, lawful morality, or some other standard.

This all brings us back to where we started, which is whther or not the policy or employee was out of line in this case.

Any other tedius journeys of explaining the obvious will make bears (who have code to write, and shouldn't really be looking back on this thread, excepting they can't help themselves) even more patronizing.

579 posted on 12/07/2004 12:38:30 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: MEGoody
Dream on, Alice. You'll get to Wonderland some day.

AndyTheBear feels obliged to patronize MEGoody, therefore Mrs Mayor was out of line. I suppose that might make sense in Wonderland, but as imply, I'm not there yet.

580 posted on 12/07/2004 12:42:04 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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