Posted on 12/02/2004 7:49:38 AM PST by esryle
Teen Says He Lost Virginity At 9
CLEVELAND -- Research shows 16 percent of girls and 20 percent of boys have engaged in sexual intercourse by the time they reach their 14th birthday. For some fourth- and fifth-graders, sex is the topic of school lunch room conversations almost daily.
In a special report, NewsChannel5's Deb Lee explored the troubling statistics.
Lee talked with a 15-year-old Cleveland-area girl who is enrolled at the Pepper Pike Alcohol Treatment Center for kids about her experiences with alcohol and sex.
The teen said kids are having sex as young as 11 and 12 years old. She added that it happens at house parties in Cleveland and surrounding suburbs, where the liquor flows so freely and girls sometimes black out.
“I know at least six or seven girls that are my good friends that got raped the first time they ever had sex,” she said. “That's how they lost their virginity by getting raped at a party while they were under the influence.”
Another teen, who will be called Jay, also knows about the parties. He's also from the Cleveland area and was a resident at the treatment center. Jay, who is 18 now, said he had sex at an early age, too.
"I lost my virginity when I was 9 years old," he said. "Most of the time, it's us boys pressuring the girls to do this, do that. But sometimes it's not all our fault. Sometimes girls be dressing all trashy... you see them out in the street with their little short skirts and tank tops and stuff."
Another teen says TV glorifies sex.
"They're all drinking and getting drunk and everything and the rappers are talking about doing drugs and having sex with people and all that," a teen said.
Dr. Slyvia Rimm, an area expert on child psychology, has interviewed hundreds of children around the country for a book on habits of middle schoolers.
Lee said she discovered that second-, third- and fourth-graders are talking about sex.
"The oral sex, even a generation ago, wasn't common in high school and now is common as early as 8th grade and even common in high school and taken lightly, I'm sorry to say, in our former president's words," Rimm said.
Lee reported that former President Bill Clinton’s statement: “I did not have sex with that woman... Miss Lewinsky," -- has had an impact.
She said teens do not think oral sex counts as sex.
"I think there can be real psychological harm when kids are that young” Rimm said.
Many teens are choosing abstinence and sobriety. In fact, the 15-year-old in the story sought help through treatment and is now beginning a new life, in a new community, at a new school.
"I'm not going to have the peer pressure, and I'm gonna be able to do what I need to do to help myself," she said.
"You evidently don't believe in objective moral truth. Your belief seems inherently self-contradictory and paradoxical, because to deny the existence of objective moral truth is automatically to assert an objective moral truth.
And, yes, my wife and I try to be faithful to the teachings of our Catholic faith in every part of our lives, including in the bedroom. We've found it to be profoundly fulfilling and beautiful."
Who defines what harms somebody?
Didn't you just make a comment questioning whether Catholics obeyed that aspect of their faith, or was that some other "godless atheist" named "Mineral Man"?
I wanted to assure you that, while all do not, some of us most certainly do. We've been there, done that, and know that this way works better.
This line says it all about the left-wing's "sex agenda" for our children. They tell our youth to celbrate debauchery and self-debasement without regard to consequence, and then are surprised when the bill comes due.
>My grandmother got married at 14.
I got married at 16, and I'm only 31. Didn't last but five years, but it beat even most odds. I wasn't pregnant either. Sadly, sometimes marraige is better than the option to remain at home, or foster care.
"Didn't you just make a comment questioning whether Catholics obeyed that aspect of their faith, or was that some other "godless atheist" named "Mineral Man"?
I wanted to assure you that, while all do not, some of us most certainly do.
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I did not suggest that all Catholics have oral sex. Not all of any group does. My point was that it is irrelevant to the discussion what the Catholic church says on the subject.
Indeed, the RCC doesn't really mind if you have oral sex, as long as it does not replace regular sex. But, as I said, your personal sexual habits are of no concern to me. I'd rather not know about them at all.
This discussion involves teenagers and their sexual habits, according to their own accounts. Do I condone such sexual activity among teens? I do not. It occurs, though, and has always occurred. I believe in dealing with it in some realistic fashion, and religious beliefs don't really come into the equation. Plenty of kids raised in strong Christian families have, and have always had, sex outside of marriage. It happens.
"Harm nobody, unless attacked. That is the only moral truth I need.
Who defines what harms somebody?"
I do, in my case. I examine whether I would be harmed by some activity. If so, I do not engage in it. Christianity calls this the "Golden Rule." Other cultures have different names for the same rule. It works.
> This guy patiently waited for years and years to marry >you before getting physical. To thank him for his respect >and loyalty, you dumped him?
LOL I thought the same thing!! Women like this always made me angry (and I'm a woman) because it makes men think, why bother waiting? I'll just move on to the next girl who puts out quicker. Not that I condone premarital sex, but if you aren't interested, why do that to someone???
Sounds like someone is lying. Do the remaining 80-85% wait until they are well over 18 (like their 20s)?
This chart that MineralMan cited to "prove" that Europe's attitudes about sex result in fewer teen pregnancies/abortions/STDs says that in America "Typical age of first sexual intercourse is 17.4 years". (For France and the Netherlands it is listed as 18.0 and 17.7 years respectively).
"Women like this always made me angry (and I'm a woman) because it makes men think, why bother waiting? I'll just move on to the next girl who puts out quicker. Not that I condone premarital sex, but if you aren't interested, why do that to someone???
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I think the poster was misunderstood. The relationship broke up after a long time. Not many of us marry our high-school sweethearts, sex or not. Few relationships between teens last and end in marriage.
I think the break-up just happened.
Quite incorrect. I'm not willing to get any more graphic than that, except to say that your statement is misleading.
But, as I said, your personal sexual habits are of no concern to me. I'd rather not know about them at all.
You've talked about yours at some length on this thread.
I believe in dealing with it in some realistic fashion, and religious beliefs don't really come into the equation. Plenty of kids raised in strong Christian families have, and have always had, sex outside of marriage.
Which does not at all mean that "religious beliefs don't really come into the equation". You continue to assume that, if some Christians act badly, Christian moral beliefs are irrelevant. That's illogical.
And I was not asking how you decided what harmed you, but how you decided what harmed someone else. If you're going to "harm nobody," you need to decide that correctly. And since you are not a reliable authority on what harms someone else, and neither are they (because they can make mistakes), "harm nobody" is not too useful. The "Golden Rule" comes along with a very extensive and detailed description of what not to do.
I agree it was around long before klinton. Can you think of a higher profile person that made it as big of a problem as it is today?
"This chart that MineralMan cited to "prove" that Europe's attitudes about sex result in fewer teen pregnancies/abortions/STDs says that in America "Typical age of first sexual intercourse is 17.4 years". (For France and the Netherlands it is listed as 18.0 and 17.7 years respectively)."
Stats on teenage sexual activity vary widely. It's difficult to find any figures that show the age at which someone first has sex, although most agree that less than 20% have sex before 15. Another stat I've seen, though, says that 80% have had sex during their teens, which would include some married people, since the teens end at 19.
I suspect also that the stats vary from region to region within the US.
"And I was not asking how you decided what harmed you, but how you decided what harmed someone else. "
The intent was that I decide if something would harm me. If it would, I wouldn't engage in that activity with another person, since the assumption would be that it would also harm that person. That's implicit in the the Golden Rule. One determines whether to do something to or with another person based on what one's own reaction would be if it were done to onesself. I thought that was understood.
As far as oral sex goes, I see no harm in it between adults. Your religious beliefs may condemn it, but that is not reason enough for me not to engage in it if I wish, since I do not follow your religion. Near as I can tell, I have not been harmed, nor has any partner.
How many of these caught STDs?
How many got pregnant?
How many Murders resulted?
How many got abortions?
How many went into Psychiatric Wards as a result
Good questions. Allow me to add 2:
How many are sterile due to abortion or STD damage, and will spend their 30's weeping in the fertility specialist's office?
How many will spend their lives on Prozac or other antidperessants, trying to medicate away abortion guilt?
See Women's Health After Abortion, and note especially posts #7 and #32.
Okay, but are my religious beliefs sufficient for you not to make snide comments implying that Catholics don't actually follow Catholic beliefs, when there are a number of living, breathing exceptions to that alleged rule right here on FR?
Near as I can tell, I have not been harmed, nor has any partner.
And if you're mistaken, your so-called "objective moral principle" just went out the window in the name of pleasure.
I'm sorry but despite how much I despise the slick meister we can't blame him alone for this, it is Hollywierd and the 'entertainment' industry that have consistantly spewed forth the message that it is cool for everyone to be having sex whenever and with whome ever they please, and if you are not doing so or being restricted from doing so you are either uncool or whoever is stopping you, i.e. parents 'just don't get it' and are out of touch with reality.
He was going into the Merchant Marine at the beginning of WWII. He was out in Texas and sent a letter back to Florida asking her to marry him. She travelled out to Texas and they got married. After he got out of the Merchant Marine, he moved back to Florida to be with her and 60 or so years later, are still married. :)
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