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Iraqi Forces: "Just Pitiful" AOL News Headline
AOL News ^ | 11-30-04 | Richard Oppel and James Glanz

Posted on 11/30/2004 7:58:42 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

Officials Say Iraq's Forces Founder Under Rebel Assaults


Iraqi Forces: "Just Pitiful"

MOSUL, Iraq, Nov. 29 - Iraqi police and national guard forces, whose performance is crucial to securing January elections, are foundering in the face of coordinated efforts to kill and intimidate them and their families, say American officials in the provinces facing the most violent insurgency.

For months, Iraqi recruits for both forces have been the victims of assassinations and car bombs aimed at lines of applicants as well as police stations. On Monday morning, a suicide bomber rammed a car into a group of police officers waiting to collect their salaries west of Ramadi, killing 12 people, Interior Ministry officials said.

While Bush administration officials say that the training is progressing and that there have been instances in which the Iraqis have proved tactically useful and fought bravely, local American commanders and security officials say both Iraqi forces are riddled with problems.

In the most violent provinces, they say, the Iraqis are so intimidated that many are reluctant to show up and do not tell their families where they work; they have yet to receive adequate training or weapons, present a danger to American troops they fight alongside, and are unreliable because of corruption, desertion or infiltration.

Given the weak performance of Iraqi forces, any major withdrawal of American troops for at least a decade would invite chaos, a senior Interior Ministry official, whose name could not be used, said in an interview last week.

South of Baghdad, where American troops are still trying to drive out insurgents after the recent offensive in Falluja, American officers warn their own troops to be prepared to "duck and cover" to avoid stray shots fired by Iraqi recruits.

In the northern city of Mosul, almost the entire police force and large parts of several Iraqi National Guard battalions deserted during an insurgent uprising this month. Iraqi leaders had to use Guard battalions of Kurdish soldiers to secure the city, kindling ethnic tensions with Arabs. Police stations in western Mosul have perhaps several hundred officers in an area that is supposed to have several thousand.

For those brave enough to come to work, "right now, all they're doing is looking out the window and making sure the bad guys aren't coming to get them," said an American military official in Mosul, who did not want his name to be used.

In a telephone interview on Saturday, Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus, the American commander overseeing training of the Iraqi security forces, acknowledged the shortcomings in the Iraqis' performance, particularly by the police in Mosul and in Anbar Province, which stretches west from Ramadi to the Syrian border.

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But General Petraeus said Iraqi Army, National Guard and police commando units had done well in other places, including Falluja, Najaf, Kut, Hilla, Karbala and much of southern Iraq, where the security situation was not as dangerous.

Iraqi security forces at all levels need better officers to lead the units, he said. "It's all about leadership," he said. "Where you see that, they really do well."

American military and Iraqi government officials, he added, are taking steps to address the weaknesses. Police training courses are being toughened to "focus much more on survival in a very lethal environment," he said. The police are also being provided larger weapons and more secure police stations.

In addition, there will be greater efforts to ensure that the Iraqi police will be backed up by other Iraqi security forces and American troops. "You can't have them feeling that if they're surrounded, no one's coming to the rescue," he said.

There are some bright spots among individual battalions of the Iraqi National Guard troops and Iraqi commandos. When operating under the direct control and oversight of American forces, some have helped in raids and other missions and continue to be used when American commanders want to enter mosques and other culturally sensitive targets, as happened in Falluja.

But places like Mosul are a particular worry for American commanders, who so far have been unable to slow the insurgents' campaign of intimidation. In the past 11 days, the bodies of at least 69 Iraqis have been found around Mosul, some with notes attached condemning their work for the Iraqi forces or with their military identification cards placed atop their bodies.

Even where there have been apparent successes, there are complications. American officials in Mosul, for example, single out the 106th Iraqi National Guard Battalion as performing with professionalism. But in an interview, the battalion commander said half of his troops were Kurdish, not Arab.

American commanders praised the Iraqi commandos who took part in a battle to repel insurgents who attacked a police station here two weeks ago. But an American company commander who joined the fight, Capt. Bill Jacobsen, noted that of a force of slightly more than 100 commandos, 10 had been killed and 27 wounded.

Many of the young Iraqi troops feel they are marked men, even without combat. To prevent insurgents from discovering their identities, many lie to everyone, wives and family included, about their real jobs.

In an interview, one member of the Iraqi 36th Commando Battalion, an elite group trained by the American Special Forces, says he tells his wife that he is a fireman, offering her nothing more to explain weeks-long absences. Another commando says he tells his family that his business requires frequent travel to the Syrian border. Some commandos, from the south, say they tell family members their factory foreman in Baghdad will not let them come home.

"I don't tell anyone," said the Iraqi commando who tells his wife he is a firefighter. "Just my brother, and he doesn't tell anyone because they will attack me."

He also complained about equipment shortages. "These weapons are not enough," he lamented. "They didn't give us a pistol. These Kalashnikovs are old and not good for shooting. If we attack, we must have good guns and good weapons. Tell the American government you must give us good weapons."

The Iraqi 36th Battalion worked with American Special Forces to take control of Falluja General Hospital on the first night of the invasion there, encountering no resistance. They often accompany American Special Forces soldiers on raids in Baghdad and other cities.

In October, the commando battalion helped United States troops storm a large mosque in Samarra, where 4 insurgents were killed and 25 captured. A Special Forces sergeant who helped lead the raid said some of the Iraqis "didn't jump in right away, but urged on by the more senior guys, they did."

In the "triangle of death," the area south of Baghdad named for its lawlessness, the police have been the targets of constant attacks and are now absent from the streets entirely, even though Marine bases in the area give police training courses.

John Chapman, a deputy sheriff in Johnson County, Tex., who was hired through the private security firm DynCorp to consult with the marines here, was asked what would count as a success for the recruits in the training program. "Show up for work," Mr. Chapman said. "Anything besides show up on payday."

At a training base in Mahmudiya, Mr. Chapman led a drill for about 40 recruits, many of whom drifted away into the shade for a smoke or giggled during a drill. Marines shouted at the recruits to pay attention. Mr. Chapman pestered them about their slovenly appearance, to little avail.

"To say we're there right now would be misspoken," said Maj. Dan Whisnant, intelligence officer for the Second Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment, which is involved in the training.

Marine officers here maintain that the police are improving. In the current military sweep, called Operation Plymouth Rock, an Iraqi SWAT team was given credit for a series of raids that rounded up numerous insurgent suspects.

But a different assessment was disclosed in a slide that one of those Marine officers presented at a daily briefing just as 150 new Iraqi police recruits were due to arrive by helicopter at an American base at 9 p.m., or in military parlance, 2100 hours:

"2100: Clown Car arrives," the slide said, referring to the helicopters. "2101: Be ready for negligent discharges," the entry continued, warning of accidental shots from the AK-47's carried by many of the recruits. "Recommend 'Duck & Cover,' " it concluded.

Lt. Col. Mark Smith, commanding officer of a Marine task force here, said the slide was a product of frustration among marines over the slow pace of training the police. "You just have to lower your expectations on the timetable on when they're going to get things done," he said.

There is still little police presence amid the devastation in post-invasion Falluja. Down the road, in Ramadi, an American commander said the police had proved useless. There, American troops with the First Battalion of the Army's 503d Infantry are briefed to be just as cautious in dealing with the Iraqi police as they are with anyone else.

The police "are clearly intimidated to the point where they don't want to come to work," said the battalion commander, Lt. Col. Justin Gubler.

He said the Iraqi National Guard, known as the I.N.G., has only a "little bit more training." They also have serious problems of loyalty and competence. Just a few months ago, he believes, the local National Guard force was complicit in the abduction and killing of its own battalion commander west of Falluja.

"That's what you get out of the I.N.G.," Colonel Gubler said. "They gave up their battalion commander, laid their weapons down, and 23 cars and trucks and massive amounts of ammunition went to Falluja. It's just pitiful."

Infiltration remains a problem. After the uprising, the Mosul police chief was quickly dismissed and was later arrested on suspicion of complicity with the insurgents.

When a captain in the Mosul police force, Abu Muhammad, was asked if the police had been penetrated by the mujahedeen, he took a long, deep breath.

"Yes, and this is the problem, and I do believe that they have contacts with senior policemen in Mosul," he said. "There is kind of cooperation between the two parties."

Richard A. Oppel Jr. reported from Mosul for this article and James Glanz from Baghdad. John F. Burns contributed reporting from Baghdad, and Eric Schmitt and an Iraqi employee of The New York Times also contributed.

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I can't get a picture up on here for some reason but on the front page of AOL News it has a picture of an Iraqi soldier who looks confused and ready to cry. God I hate AOL News...they always put the worst first.
1 posted on 11/30/2004 7:58:42 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
NY Times article here:

U.S. Officials Say Iraq's Forces Founder Under Rebel Assaults

2 posted on 11/30/2004 8:05:45 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

FoxNew's Steve Harrigan said this morning that the Iraqi police only show up on PayDay. As much as we want to be out of that place, probably not going to happen for 10 years.. We can not make the mistakes we did with Germany though. They have got to learn they have to stand up and defend themselves. Yet, to achieve a reformed Middle East, we need to park ourselves there as long as necessary. IMO>

3 posted on 11/30/2004 8:08:14 AM PST by JesseJane ("If the enemy is in range, so are you." -Infantry Journal)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Iraq is an artificial country -- an amalgam of Shia, Sunni & Kurds. So here's my solution: form cohesive battalions from each grouping and post those battalions away from home. Call it the "Roman Solution". A Kurdish soldier will be more effective in nailing down an area of Baghdad if he knows that the Bad Guys that he is operating against can't get to his family up in Mosul.

4 posted on 11/30/2004 8:13:52 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: JesseJane
that the Iraqi police only show up on PayDay.

Otherwise known as the "John Edwards" approach to combat.

5 posted on 11/30/2004 8:14:52 AM PST by DainBramage (Next!)
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To: Tallguy the US Commander can always threaten the locals with the 'unleashing' of the Iraqi Battalions in his area.

6 posted on 11/30/2004 8:15:53 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: DainBramage

:) hehehe.. so true..

7 posted on 11/30/2004 8:15:58 AM PST by JesseJane ("If the enemy is in range, so are you." -Infantry Journal)
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To: My Favorite Headache

For a deeper study of endemic problems among Arab forces, see Ken Pollack's "Arabs At War":

8 posted on 11/30/2004 8:16:43 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age." HP Lovecraft)
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To: Tallguy

Intersting concept. I hope Rummy is lurking.

9 posted on 11/30/2004 8:17:08 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: JesseJane
One solution would be to have Pay Day every day when they finish their work.

Secondly, having a presence in a Middle Eastern country for the long haul is a brilliant idea IMHO.

We don't have to depend on the Saudis or the Turks for a strategic air command station if we should need one in the future.

The idea of pulling all our Troops out of Iraq is not logical. We need them there more than we do in Germany, South Korea or Ft. Riley.
10 posted on 11/30/2004 8:26:14 AM PST by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Media and Liberals yelling in unison: AND WE HELPED!
--Taken from old Shake N Bake Commercial

11 posted on 11/30/2004 8:28:27 AM PST by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: My Favorite Headache; joanie-f; snopercod; mommadooo3; JeanS; Alamo-Girl
In the United States, in the States, a police officer is a member of the office of police, which is a sub-department of the common law of each respective State.

A police officer is a person who does the work of law enforcement on behalf of the citizens who are otherwise busy making a living.

Because they are busy, they employ someone from among themselves, to act on their behalf, in the office of police, as a police officer.

The people are sovereign and are the source of all police powers, in addition to themselves holding, as individual responsible, able bodied citizens, police powers with which to act and enforce the law, in the absence of the police officer when he or she is not present, not on the scene, yet the people may also act in accordance with the laws, to enforce the law, even when the police officer is on the scene.

If you're thinking "citizens arrest," yes, that is one example.

The power and authority of the people, is something that is our right, and it is a right not granted to us by any constitution.

The common law bypassed the Constitution at the founding of the United States; the police powers, within the common law, being those of the States and therein, the counties and communities.

So much authority, in the hands of the people, in contrast with people who argue for socialist dictatorships in one form or another, on the absolutists' "grounds" that "you cannot take the law into your own hands."

Well, it, the law, is in the hands of the people of the States, of the United States of America. It is our duty to make good law, to enforce the law, and to do so even at risk of death, in order to preserve liberty; you might say, every day, we fight for freedom.

All that, is part of what it means to be an American, and it is felt and believed by enough people around the world, who may not be American citizens, but they are determined, and self-determined, and disciplined (educated) and self-discplined, enough, to stand up and take risks that are awesome, in the face of tyranny and terror.

The Iraqis need encouragement, in these things, what we sometimes call, moral support.

In my humble opinion, this realization of the duties of maintaining the peace and freedom, is the one thing that the "mainstream news media" a.k.a. "liberal media" are most out to prevent, by blocking the communications between Americans at home and Americans abroad, and people who are suffering under terrorists abroad yet they take heart by what it means to, again, stand up and be American.

If that means death to tyrants, so it shall be, for their daring to impose their rule on the heads and shoulders and hearts of people who wish to be free.

The spirit of independence, cannot be taken away, yet it can be battered among people who are not organized, who are not resolved, to fight.

We, fortunately, are born, resolved.

With pen or sword or both, be resolute.

God Bless

12 posted on 11/30/2004 8:31:21 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: not2worry

So, the Iraqi forces don't want to defend themselves and your response is that we should stay in that Bosinia writ large where are men and women and being picked off one by one? What do you hope to accomplish, other than a continued slow bleed?

13 posted on 11/30/2004 8:32:38 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: My Favorite Headache

Let's see, how long were the Brits there, 40 years before they decided to go home?

I have great admiration for President Bush however I am not nearly as optimistic about "changing the political dynamics in the Middle East through free elections."

14 posted on 11/30/2004 8:32:48 AM PST by matchwood
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To: First_Salute

Thanks for the ping!

15 posted on 11/30/2004 8:37:13 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tallguy

Saddam already perfected that method.

16 posted on 11/30/2004 8:38:41 AM PST by fdsa2 (Blair = Kelly donĀ“t you forget that!)
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To: fdsa2

Seems the Iraqies always surrender! Same way they fought against us! I don't understand why it would be expected to change.

17 posted on 11/30/2004 8:43:56 AM PST by Jay777
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To: Tallguy

Good solution.

Better solution - divide this "artificial" country into three states "officially" Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites. Install governors in each (by appointment or elections) then have a Federal City - Bagdad - for financial and judicial administration -made up of representatives from each state. Enlist reservists for security in each of those states - I think there will be more dedication and troop morale for a Sunni to protect his own from the foreign insurgents.

Works here!

18 posted on 11/30/2004 8:45:02 AM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: fdsa2
Saddam already perfected that method.

I realize this. But it is the stated policy of the US to make Iraq an independent & democratic country. The first requirement is to keep Iraq unified. So our first requirement happens to be the same as Saddam's.

Just because we borrow an ancient tactic doesn't mean that we are going to adopt Saddam's methods wholesale.

19 posted on 11/30/2004 8:48:57 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: My Favorite Headache
[ Iraqi Forces: "Just Pitiful" AOL News Headline ]

Compared to WHAT..??..

20 posted on 11/30/2004 8:56:54 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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