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I can't get a picture up on here for some reason but on the front page of AOL News it has a picture of an Iraqi soldier who looks confused and ready to cry. God I hate AOL News...they always put the worst first.
1 posted on 11/30/2004 7:58:42 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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NY Times article here:

U.S. Officials Say Iraq's Forces Founder Under Rebel Assaults

2 posted on 11/30/2004 8:05:45 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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FoxNew's Steve Harrigan said this morning that the Iraqi police only show up on PayDay. As much as we want to be out of that place, probably not going to happen for 10 years.. We can not make the mistakes we did with Germany though. They have got to learn they have to stand up and defend themselves. Yet, to achieve a reformed Middle East, we need to park ourselves there as long as necessary. IMO>


3 posted on 11/30/2004 8:08:14 AM PST by JesseJane ("If the enemy is in range, so are you." -Infantry Journal)
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Iraq is an artificial country -- an amalgam of Shia, Sunni & Kurds. So here's my solution: form cohesive battalions from each grouping and post those battalions away from home. Call it the "Roman Solution". A Kurdish soldier will be more effective in nailing down an area of Baghdad if he knows that the Bad Guys that he is operating against can't get to his family up in Mosul.


4 posted on 11/30/2004 8:13:52 AM PST by Tallguy
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For a deeper study of endemic problems among Arab forces, see Ken Pollack's "Arabs At War":

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0803237332/002-4369978-7385630?v=glance


8 posted on 11/30/2004 8:16:43 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age." HP Lovecraft)
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Media and Liberals yelling in unison: AND WE HELPED!
--Taken from old Shake N Bake Commercial


11 posted on 11/30/2004 8:28:27 AM PST by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: My Favorite Headache; joanie-f; snopercod; mommadooo3; JeanS; Alamo-Girl
In the United States, in the States, a police officer is a member of the office of police, which is a sub-department of the common law of each respective State.

A police officer is a person who does the work of law enforcement on behalf of the citizens who are otherwise busy making a living.

Because they are busy, they employ someone from among themselves, to act on their behalf, in the office of police, as a police officer.

The people are sovereign and are the source of all police powers, in addition to themselves holding, as individual responsible, able bodied citizens, police powers with which to act and enforce the law, in the absence of the police officer when he or she is not present, not on the scene, yet the people may also act in accordance with the laws, to enforce the law, even when the police officer is on the scene.

If you're thinking "citizens arrest," yes, that is one example.

The power and authority of the people, is something that is our right, and it is a right not granted to us by any constitution.

The common law bypassed the Constitution at the founding of the United States; the police powers, within the common law, being those of the States and therein, the counties and communities.

So much authority, in the hands of the people, in contrast with people who argue for socialist dictatorships in one form or another, on the absolutists' "grounds" that "you cannot take the law into your own hands."

Well, it, the law, is in the hands of the people of the States, of the United States of America. It is our duty to make good law, to enforce the law, and to do so even at risk of death, in order to preserve liberty; you might say, every day, we fight for freedom.

All that, is part of what it means to be an American, and it is felt and believed by enough people around the world, who may not be American citizens, but they are determined, and self-determined, and disciplined (educated) and self-discplined, enough, to stand up and take risks that are awesome, in the face of tyranny and terror.

The Iraqis need encouragement, in these things, what we sometimes call, moral support.

In my humble opinion, this realization of the duties of maintaining the peace and freedom, is the one thing that the "mainstream news media" a.k.a. "liberal media" are most out to prevent, by blocking the communications between Americans at home and Americans abroad, and people who are suffering under terrorists abroad yet they take heart by what it means to, again, stand up and be American.

If that means death to tyrants, so it shall be, for their daring to impose their rule on the heads and shoulders and hearts of people who wish to be free.

The spirit of independence, cannot be taken away, yet it can be battered among people who are not organized, who are not resolved, to fight.

We, fortunately, are born, resolved.

With pen or sword or both, be resolute.

God Bless

12 posted on 11/30/2004 8:31:21 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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Let's see, how long were the Brits there, 40 years before they decided to go home?

I have great admiration for President Bush however I am not nearly as optimistic about "changing the political dynamics in the Middle East through free elections."



14 posted on 11/30/2004 8:32:48 AM PST by matchwood
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[ Iraqi Forces: "Just Pitiful" AOL News Headline ]

Compared to WHAT..??..

20 posted on 11/30/2004 8:56:54 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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earlier topic:

U.S. Officials Say Iraq's Forces Founder Under Rebel Assaults
The New York Times ^ | November 30, 2004
RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. and JAMES GLANZ
Posted on 11/30/2004 7:26:50 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1291100/posts


21 posted on 11/30/2004 9:04:08 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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what the article misses entirely is that it has always been the case that an army is formed in battle.

those that can get the job done survive and build the core of a real fighting force -- fools, cowards or the french die, surrender or slink away...

27 posted on 11/30/2004 9:30:12 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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We declare people and situations hopeless all the time. A Jeffersonian democracy in Iraq isn't sacred in that respect. If the January elections are a flop and the Iraqi armed forces show no signs of being able to get their sh!t together, then we'd have to call the venture in Iraq hopeless, too, and move on. We'll see what happens next year. Their future is in their hands, not ours.


29 posted on 11/30/2004 9:58:44 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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"For those brave enough to come to work, "right now, all they're doing is looking out the window and making sure the bad guys aren't coming to get them," said an American military official in Mosul, who did not want his name to be used."

This little comment says alot about what's wrong.

33 posted on 11/30/2004 10:49:56 AM PST by semaj ("....by their fruit you will know them.")
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"I hate AOL News...they always put the worst first."

AOL "News" has always been anti-America.

They are despicable.

37 posted on 11/30/2004 12:16:21 PM PST by F16Fighter
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I think it's time to get honest about Islam and about Muslims.

Their fear of fellow Islamist assassins is far more of a behavior modifier than is their desire for anything that represents another view of "the human race".

If an idea wasn't thought of by Mohammed, then it is an "infidel" idea. Islam has the clerical and killer staff that will enforce "submission" to Mohammed. Infidel ideas are punishable under Islam by physical violence. It is part of their Islamic cult/religion.

Muslims have no desire to challenge the Islamic clerics and the Islamic killers. In Islam--there is NO such notion as people being born with "inalienable rights", endowed by Allah.

In Islam, there is only enforcement by physical threats to each person and their family. That is why Iraq is a waste of our energy. The Iraqis, mostly, have no stomach to fight for inalienable rights--they prefer to submit to the thug.

We should give all our energy and commitment to those who care--the Kurds--and protect them by staying stationed in Kurdistan. And to those who need to care--the Kuwaitis, who will be subject to the 'next Saddam' who is probably only a few years away from ruling again.

Pull our forces north and south and let the Sunnis and Shia and Wahhabis and Saudis and Islamists use Iraq as their playground. The "average Iraqi" deserves no more.


42 posted on 11/30/2004 6:23:23 PM PST by jolie560
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