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Iraqi Forces: "Just Pitiful" AOL News Headline
AOL News ^ | 11-30-04 | Richard Oppel and James Glanz

Posted on 11/30/2004 7:58:42 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

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I can't get a picture up on here for some reason but on the front page of AOL News it has a picture of an Iraqi soldier who looks confused and ready to cry. God I hate AOL News...they always put the worst first.
1 posted on 11/30/2004 7:58:42 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
NY Times article here:

U.S. Officials Say Iraq's Forces Founder Under Rebel Assaults

2 posted on 11/30/2004 8:05:45 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

FoxNew's Steve Harrigan said this morning that the Iraqi police only show up on PayDay. As much as we want to be out of that place, probably not going to happen for 10 years.. We can not make the mistakes we did with Germany though. They have got to learn they have to stand up and defend themselves. Yet, to achieve a reformed Middle East, we need to park ourselves there as long as necessary. IMO>


3 posted on 11/30/2004 8:08:14 AM PST by JesseJane ("If the enemy is in range, so are you." -Infantry Journal)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Iraq is an artificial country -- an amalgam of Shia, Sunni & Kurds. So here's my solution: form cohesive battalions from each grouping and post those battalions away from home. Call it the "Roman Solution". A Kurdish soldier will be more effective in nailing down an area of Baghdad if he knows that the Bad Guys that he is operating against can't get to his family up in Mosul.


4 posted on 11/30/2004 8:13:52 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: JesseJane
that the Iraqi police only show up on PayDay.

Otherwise known as the "John Edwards" approach to combat.

5 posted on 11/30/2004 8:14:52 AM PST by DainBramage (Next!)
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To: Tallguy

....plus the US Commander can always threaten the locals with the 'unleashing' of the Iraqi Battalions in his area.


6 posted on 11/30/2004 8:15:53 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: DainBramage

:) hehehe.. so true..


7 posted on 11/30/2004 8:15:58 AM PST by JesseJane ("If the enemy is in range, so are you." -Infantry Journal)
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To: My Favorite Headache

For a deeper study of endemic problems among Arab forces, see Ken Pollack's "Arabs At War":

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0803237332/002-4369978-7385630?v=glance


8 posted on 11/30/2004 8:16:43 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age." HP Lovecraft)
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To: Tallguy

Intersting concept. I hope Rummy is lurking.


9 posted on 11/30/2004 8:17:08 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: JesseJane
One solution would be to have Pay Day every day when they finish their work.

Secondly, having a presence in a Middle Eastern country for the long haul is a brilliant idea IMHO.

We don't have to depend on the Saudis or the Turks for a strategic air command station if we should need one in the future.

The idea of pulling all our Troops out of Iraq is not logical. We need them there more than we do in Germany, South Korea or Ft. Riley.
10 posted on 11/30/2004 8:26:14 AM PST by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Media and Liberals yelling in unison: AND WE HELPED!
--Taken from old Shake N Bake Commercial


11 posted on 11/30/2004 8:28:27 AM PST by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: My Favorite Headache; joanie-f; snopercod; mommadooo3; JeanS; Alamo-Girl
In the United States, in the States, a police officer is a member of the office of police, which is a sub-department of the common law of each respective State.

A police officer is a person who does the work of law enforcement on behalf of the citizens who are otherwise busy making a living.

Because they are busy, they employ someone from among themselves, to act on their behalf, in the office of police, as a police officer.

The people are sovereign and are the source of all police powers, in addition to themselves holding, as individual responsible, able bodied citizens, police powers with which to act and enforce the law, in the absence of the police officer when he or she is not present, not on the scene, yet the people may also act in accordance with the laws, to enforce the law, even when the police officer is on the scene.

If you're thinking "citizens arrest," yes, that is one example.

The power and authority of the people, is something that is our right, and it is a right not granted to us by any constitution.

The common law bypassed the Constitution at the founding of the United States; the police powers, within the common law, being those of the States and therein, the counties and communities.

So much authority, in the hands of the people, in contrast with people who argue for socialist dictatorships in one form or another, on the absolutists' "grounds" that "you cannot take the law into your own hands."

Well, it, the law, is in the hands of the people of the States, of the United States of America. It is our duty to make good law, to enforce the law, and to do so even at risk of death, in order to preserve liberty; you might say, every day, we fight for freedom.

All that, is part of what it means to be an American, and it is felt and believed by enough people around the world, who may not be American citizens, but they are determined, and self-determined, and disciplined (educated) and self-discplined, enough, to stand up and take risks that are awesome, in the face of tyranny and terror.

The Iraqis need encouragement, in these things, what we sometimes call, moral support.

In my humble opinion, this realization of the duties of maintaining the peace and freedom, is the one thing that the "mainstream news media" a.k.a. "liberal media" are most out to prevent, by blocking the communications between Americans at home and Americans abroad, and people who are suffering under terrorists abroad yet they take heart by what it means to, again, stand up and be American.

If that means death to tyrants, so it shall be, for their daring to impose their rule on the heads and shoulders and hearts of people who wish to be free.

The spirit of independence, cannot be taken away, yet it can be battered among people who are not organized, who are not resolved, to fight.

We, fortunately, are born, resolved.

With pen or sword or both, be resolute.

God Bless

12 posted on 11/30/2004 8:31:21 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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So, the Iraqi forces don't want to defend themselves and your response is that we should stay in that Bosinia writ large where are men and women and being picked off one by one? What do you hope to accomplish, other than a continued slow bleed?


13 posted on 11/30/2004 8:32:38 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: My Favorite Headache

Let's see, how long were the Brits there, 40 years before they decided to go home?

I have great admiration for President Bush however I am not nearly as optimistic about "changing the political dynamics in the Middle East through free elections."



14 posted on 11/30/2004 8:32:48 AM PST by matchwood
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To: First_Salute

Thanks for the ping!


15 posted on 11/30/2004 8:37:13 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tallguy

Saddam already perfected that method.


16 posted on 11/30/2004 8:38:41 AM PST by fdsa2 (Blair = Kelly donĀ“t you forget that!)
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Seems the Iraqies always surrender! Same way they fought against us! I don't understand why it would be expected to change.


17 posted on 11/30/2004 8:43:56 AM PST by Jay777
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To: Tallguy

Good solution.

Better solution - divide this "artificial" country into three states "officially" Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites. Install governors in each (by appointment or elections) then have a Federal City - Bagdad - for financial and judicial administration -made up of representatives from each state. Enlist reservists for security in each of those states - I think there will be more dedication and troop morale for a Sunni to protect his own from the foreign insurgents.

Works here!


18 posted on 11/30/2004 8:45:02 AM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: fdsa2
Saddam already perfected that method.

I realize this. But it is the stated policy of the US to make Iraq an independent & democratic country. The first requirement is to keep Iraq unified. So our first requirement happens to be the same as Saddam's.

Just because we borrow an ancient tactic doesn't mean that we are going to adopt Saddam's methods wholesale.

19 posted on 11/30/2004 8:48:57 AM PST by Tallguy
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[ Iraqi Forces: "Just Pitiful" AOL News Headline ]

Compared to WHAT..??..

20 posted on 11/30/2004 8:56:54 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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