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Rifle Used in WI Massacre Was Not An SKS
Star Tribune ^ | Nov. 23 ,2004 | State of Wisconsin

Posted on 11/25/2004 1:26:49 PM PST by Jed Eckert

" ..... Vang was later apprehended by Wisconsin DNR Warden Jeremy Peery. Vang was still in possesion of his hunting gear., including back tag and also his rifle. The rifle was a Saiga SKS 7.62 X 39 Caliber, Serial Number H03104079....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; guncontrol; vang
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To: Jed Eckert

BTTT


21 posted on 11/25/2004 2:01:01 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: cweese

The saiga is the "new generation" of the AK. It functions the same, looks similar, but is chambered for a number of different cartriges including .308 and a .12 guage model. The fit and finish are a little better and it's more expensive than a AK. We are not talking about someone that used that caliber out of economic purposes. He had the choice and purposely decided on that oddball caliber for a hunting rifle. I think this guy was a professional poacher.


22 posted on 11/25/2004 2:01:09 PM PST by bad company (I'm a new Grandpa.)
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To: cweese

I thought he was going hunting and didn't know it was private property. Then those poor saps came up and asked him to leave and I'd venture to guess weren't very nice to him about it either because of the way he looked.


23 posted on 11/25/2004 2:02:00 PM PST by YoungHickey
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To: YoungHickey

I think those poor saps were the landowners. I don't know how it is in Wisconsin, but here in Texas, if you find someone poaching on your land, you don't take it lightly. He was also chasing down and killing people he wounded. Doesn't sound like a lost hunter to me.


24 posted on 11/25/2004 2:04:49 PM PST by cweese
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To: Long Cut
No matter WHAT it was, the media would paint it as some kind of "High-Powered-Assault-Sniper-Automatic-Repeating-Drug-Weapon-Of-Choice-etc-etc".

Is it me or has anyone else ever been able to find a "low powered" rifle? I can only think that it must be one where the muzzle has been welded shut.

Media schmucks!!

25 posted on 11/25/2004 2:11:41 PM PST by Skybird
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To: Mr Rogers
you'll be sighting your gun in

And then he'll be running around the outside of the company area with his rifle held high yelling "This is my Rifle" over and over again.

26 posted on 11/25/2004 2:11:49 PM PST by ASA Vet (What if there were no hypothetical questions?)
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To: cweese
Sorry about the confusion.

Yes the quote is from the court document. The point is that the SKS and Saiga are two entirely different firearms. It's either one or the other but can't be both.

The Saiga is a current production sporting rifle while the SKS was a military rifle.

27 posted on 11/25/2004 2:12:37 PM PST by Jed Eckert
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To: E.Allen

Believe you're right. It looks more like a sporterized AK than an SKS. At a price tag of $459.00. A bit much for an SKS. Nice looking rifle anyway, except for the trigger guard. Looks junky.


28 posted on 11/25/2004 2:16:01 PM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: Skybird; All

BTW, where's all those mean, nasty UZIs and other assorted "assault guns" we were supposed to be "flooded" with after the ban? According to the presstitutes, I should be hip-deep in guns and magazines now. I haven't seen anything new yet.


29 posted on 11/25/2004 2:16:48 PM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: cweese

If this guy was a newly-converted Islamic, chances are he was out to earn his stripes.


30 posted on 11/25/2004 2:18:33 PM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: YoungHickey
Seems this fellow...is now being linked to another very similar 2-3 year old un-solved murder

Treestand, private property, shot in the back, etc..etc...

31 posted on 11/25/2004 2:18:49 PM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is as black as the devil's riding boots.................)
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To: ASA Vet

Good point. Always good to know you can hit the target with both rifle and gun...


32 posted on 11/25/2004 2:19:39 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: YoungHickey
I thought he was going hunting and didn't know it was private property. Then those poor saps came up and asked him to leave and I'd venture to guess weren't very nice to him about it either because of the way he looked.

I can tell you for certain...that I know exactly where I can, and cannot hunt. And I know exactly what my tree stands look like...and where they are placed.

This was no accident...

33 posted on 11/25/2004 2:21:27 PM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is as black as the devil's riding boots.................)
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To: E.Allen
You're partly correct. It is a modified AK receiver but all the ones I've seen will only take a Saiga mag and not an AK mag. Also many of the AK surplus parts will not interchange with the Saiga.

The receivers are also designed so that you cannot install an AK pistol grip.

I believe all this was designed into the rifle so that there would be no problems in importing it while the AW ban was in effect.

34 posted on 11/25/2004 2:25:28 PM PST by Jed Eckert
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To: Mr Rogers
My rifle has a 200 meter zero.
My gun hasn't anywhere near that range plus it's a sports model which only shoots blanks.
35 posted on 11/25/2004 2:26:26 PM PST by ASA Vet (What if there were no hypothetical questions?)
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To: Jed Eckert
Its an AK action in a sporting rifle format...no pistol grip bayonet lug or flash suppressor...wood stock...long reach to to the trigger...takes detachable AK magazines..

Available in .308 WIN .223 REM or 7.62X39 MM (perhaps other calibers as well?)
36 posted on 11/25/2004 2:28:07 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: cweese

WE DONT take it lightly...

The Hmongs in my area are notorious for violating...and tresspassing...and shooting animals on others lands and in the past even on game farms...

When the cops are called they usually start jabbering on repeating their best defense "no english"..."no english" at which point LEOs are required to bring in the translater (at tax payers expense and usually on overtime to boot)

The entrepreter usually one of their own clan anyway...gives a translation in his and their best interest and they are usually let go anyway...I have yet heard of any of them around me...doing any time in the County lockup for poaching or tresspassing..


37 posted on 11/25/2004 2:32:37 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: ASA Vet

A 200 yeard shot with your gun would be impressive, but not much fun.


38 posted on 11/25/2004 2:32:44 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: Jed Eckert

Jed you are probably right...about it not taking AK mags...I have seen conversions on them
Krebs does a real nice one...and they will take AK mags and PGrips Folding Stocks etc..


39 posted on 11/25/2004 2:33:44 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: Long Cut

and I'm pretty PO'd about it myself. I'm still waiting for my mini-gun.


40 posted on 11/25/2004 2:34:57 PM PST by concretebob (Protect the naugas, stop sitting on naugahyde)
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