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Accused Shooter Claiming Self- Defense, Playing Race Card (WI Hunter Massacre)
WTMJ-AM Radio | 11/23/04 | WTMJ Radio News

Posted on 11/23/2004 11:06:28 AM PST by mafree

According to WTMJ-Am radio news, the hunter accused of killing six hunters is now claiming he was shot at first. He is saying he left property the first time he was asked and the other hunters followed him, surrounded him, called him racial and other names, and shot at him first.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: deerhuntingshooting; deerstand; hmong; hunter; hunting; racecard; vang; wihunters; wisconsin
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To: Terriergal; hiredhand
The "assault weapon" hype didn't stick

I'm surprised it didn't. Them SKS's look pretty nasty ya know.

Looks just like a normal 2d amendment approved duck hunting rifle to me


121 posted on 11/23/2004 3:17:36 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The true character of liberty is independence, maintained by force". - Voltaire)
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To: MineralMan
That does not excuse this man, and I have never suggested otherwise.

And if you don't think some people call the Hmong residents of the Twin Cities bad names, you're dreaming. It happens all the time.

Your implications can not be any clearer.

122 posted on 11/23/2004 3:17:47 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: MineralMan

I've been called the most foul and deragatory names by liberals and I didn't kill anyone. You'll have to take my word for it.


123 posted on 11/23/2004 3:20:11 PM PST by Rebelbase (Indiscriminate reprisals strengthen the terrorists. Targeted ones weaken them. Aim is everything.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

The SKS is a great little gun. Best bang for the buck out there and the ammo is dirt cheap.


124 posted on 11/23/2004 3:21:05 PM PST by Rebelbase (Indiscriminate reprisals strengthen the terrorists. Targeted ones weaken them. Aim is everything.)
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To: FrankRepublican

What good would that do? Half of his family has been adopted by white americans as they try to rescue a child. A child that will grow up asian and minority in america that can still use the race card, that will dislike whites just like all other minorities.


125 posted on 11/23/2004 3:23:19 PM PST by rave123
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To: rave123

"I think they did call him a racial name. But that would not be enough to kill them"

I'm shocked at all the people jumping to conclusions that these hunters turned into a bunch of yahoo racists based on one statement by the guy who did the shooting.


126 posted on 11/23/2004 3:24:03 PM PST by Rebelbase (Indiscriminate reprisals strengthen the terrorists. Targeted ones weaken them. Aim is everything.)
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To: Rebelbase

Hey, listen to the hunting stories by other posters. These guys called him names. I'm willing to bet the farm on it. But like I said that's no basis to kill them.


127 posted on 11/23/2004 3:29:35 PM PST by rave123
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To: sandalwood; AgThorn
Not for nothing, honey, but self-defense may explain one guy dead, not 5 and three seriously injured.

Exactly!!! From the reports I read...the murder victims, all six of them and the two wounded had ONE weapon between them.

The only reason this guy stopped killing...he ran out of ammo to reload.

I understand the deer hunting was not plentiful this season due to the warm weather(many friends up north right now)...this guy decided to hunt humans instead...

128 posted on 11/23/2004 3:34:34 PM PST by Jackie-O
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To: Rebelbase
I'm shocked at all the people jumping to conclusions that these hunters turned into a bunch of yahoo racists based on one statement by the guy who did the shooting.

What they are basically saying is that they believe the mass murderer to be credible when he makes a statement to the effect that someone called him a racist name, but they are very quick to point out this would not justify him killing six people. Hehe.

LOL! Never mind the fact that this individual is a mass murderer, and who was a dangerous time bomb and posed a grave danger to *anyone* that may have been near this individual in the past.

Yeowza!

Did I mention that he may have been called a racist name?

If they say this enough, by the time the trial gets here, the government will want to try all the victims for a hate crime.

129 posted on 11/23/2004 3:35:41 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: mafree

Don't believe it either. How come he was chasing people and shooting them in the back a bunch of times. It was not self defense. This guy is a sicko and needs to die a slow death. It happened in a Blue state too.


130 posted on 11/23/2004 3:41:43 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: AirForceMom

You gotta be pretty close to a guy to surround and insult him. Taking a shot at that range and miss? C'mon , that story stinks to high heaven.


131 posted on 11/23/2004 3:56:46 PM PST by Billdawg
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To: Charles Martel
Wow... I can now see why Thailand refused to grant the Hmong anything beyond "temporary refugee" status. We should've been similarly cautious, but NOOoooooo....

Astute observation.

132 posted on 11/23/2004 4:15:20 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Jackie-O
The only reason this guy stopped killing...he ran out of ammo to reload.

I believe he thought he had killed all eight. He hit all eight in vital spots. I don't believe a single one was "slightly" wounded and he knew it. That explains why he was so calm coming out of the woods. Too many unanswered questions. He thought there would be no witnesses. Even if the individuals stupidly called the man racist slurs and used profanity (sheer stupidity when dealing with Asians), it would not begin to be enough for a self-defense plea.

Some Asian cultures have very short fuses. The Thais will kill you if you point your toes at them.

133 posted on 11/23/2004 4:19:02 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Billdawg

Sure does stink, sounds like a lawyer got to him and "advised" him as to what "happened". Guy is a flat out mass murderer.


134 posted on 11/23/2004 5:00:59 PM PST by AirForceMom (I have post-election elation syndrome)
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To: redgolum

Granted, game wardens don't make much money. However, the ones I know consider it their dream jobs and wouldn't trade them for the world. (Their wives think differently.) I believe we have two per county in my neck of the woods. They take their jobs seriously and are pure tickled to respond to any call.


135 posted on 11/23/2004 5:20:20 PM PST by Quilla
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To: mafree

Wow, as if we could not have guessed it would come to this.


136 posted on 11/23/2004 5:21:30 PM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: mafree

Regardless of what the victims may or may not have said to him, I am inclined to not believe that he was shot at first or even at all. All these people with scoped deer rifles confronted a guy with an SKS that starts to shoot at them and nobody was able to put him down or even wound him? That dog don't hunt.


137 posted on 11/23/2004 5:26:22 PM PST by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party...We recycle dead environmentalists.)
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To: All
I have read all this thread and I am still confused about one point. Did the perp shoot at medical personnel arriving or was he already out of ammo?
138 posted on 11/23/2004 5:30:57 PM PST by Conservababe (Liberal...One whose mind is so open the brains are spilling out.)
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To: flashbunny
they probably made racial comments that caused him to start shooting".

Comments cannot CAUSE a person to start shooting. They can inspire it, but not cause it. This misuse of the word "cause" is so disgusting.

139 posted on 11/23/2004 5:42:15 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: Terriergal
I'm surprised it didn't. Them SKS's look pretty nasty ya know. And that's what makes an 'assault' weapon nowadays.

I think the big problem is that it has no pistol grip, no external magazine, and it's NOT black. ...just not evil enough for them. :-)
140 posted on 11/23/2004 5:46:12 PM PST by hiredhand ( "Pudge the Indestructible Kitty" lives at - http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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