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Posted on 11/17/2004 9:24:29 PM PST by nwctwx
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Sorry to hear.
Until I read up on 1918, I did not realize that unlike most flus, the most vulnerable tended to be the strongest and healthiest (20 to 40).
We are overdue for the natural event.
The prospect of a manmade one makes the eventuality of some type of pandemic even more likely.
"Whether or not this particular strain will be this lethal, this is the future - - genetic weapons."
My point is that we do not have a century or a generation to fight this war, but just a matter of years. I have no idea what the actual mortality rate of this flu truly is. No one does. That was why I included the different links (chicken littles and cooler heads alike). But my point was to focus on a potentially imminent scenario, not a flu strain. I was making a point about manufactured bioweapons in general, not natural flu pandemics in particular.
There is no doubt that:
1) Active bioweapons programs have been underway in terrorist states for decades.
2) Mortality rates are engineered to be, at times, even higher than 70%.
3) These agents were weaponized.
4) Some may have been transferred already (anthrax for one).
We should be as concerned over Iran and North Korea's covert bio programs as we are over their nukes, because they too could be transferred to terrorists at some point.
If you do not mind it being traced back to your country, then you put something obviously engineered on top of a missile in bomblets encased in a warhead as the Soviets did in the 70s and 80s. (Or simultaneous launches from offshore barges on cruise missiles or drones).
If you do not want it traced, you have to disperse it covertly and make it seem naturally occuring - - something like the West Nile vector.
They are strategic weapons designed to be used far away from the attacker's civilian populations. Our strategy should be less patient and more urgent. We cannot play defense on this one. A plane gets past us and we have a tragedy. A nuke gets past us and we have a historic catastrophe. A bioweapon engineereed to overcome our defenses would be apocalyptic. And they exist.
Whether a naturally occuring flu pandemic occurs this winter is somewhat beside the point.
You may well be right that it the WP flare was just so much flotsam.
As to the idea of using a WP on a covert op, you ever see one of these go off?? I don't think of a 'WP' and 'covert' in the same thought sequence.
sub6
Where would the flare have floated from? Ft. Eustis is downstream from Surry. It could have been an exercise, but I would think that the responsible branch would have copped to it by now.
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/t/tremoglie/2004/tremoglie121904.htm
"Phony Monday Morning Quarterbacks"
December 19, 2004
by Michael P. Tremoglie
"you ever see one of these go off??"
Nope (but I have seen my kids explode hardboiled eggs in the microwave ;)...just trying to make sense of 'why' a la Occam's razor. Guess they would do nicely for the 4th of July?
http://www2.townonline.com/somerville/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=146756&format=text
"Air marshal loses badge, ID, gun license in bar"
By Brock Parker
Wednesday, December 15, 2004
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "A federal air marshal reported his badge, gun license and government-issued cell phone were lifted at the Olde Magoun's Saloon Sunday.
The marshal, whose name was not released by Somerville Police, said several other items of his were stolen while he was at the saloon at 518 Medford St. at 10:25 p.m., including his wallet, credit cards, keys and identification, police record stated."
My uncle died of the 1918 flu while he was a cadet up at West Point. He's buried there.
"A plane gets past us and we have
a tragedy. A nuke gets past us and we have a historic catastrophe. A bioweapon engineereed to overcome our
defenses would be apocalyptic. And they exist."
Think avian migration....or even butterflies.
WSDOT.wa.gov - WASHINGTON STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION - Advisory - Security Information for Aerial Application Operators/Airports: "On November 1, 2004, a crop dusting aircraft was stolen from Ejido Queretaro, near Mexicali, Mexico. Although there is currently no indication that this has any connection to terrorist activity, the theft is cause for concern. Past information indicates that members of al-Qa'ida may have planned -- or may still be planning -- to disperse biological or chemical agents from crop dusting aircraft. The stolen aircraft has been identified as a Piper PA 25, Pawnee,and is similar to one depicted below. It is registered in Mexico and bears the tail number XBCYP. If you see the aircraft described above, you should immediately contact the TSA General Aviation Hotline at (866) 427-3287." (November 5, 2004) (VIEW PHOTO. Read More...)
NEWS.com.au: "AIR AMBULANCES HIT BY SABOTAGE" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The Metropolitan Ambulance Service said the planes were the target of a deliberate attack at Essendon Airport. Vandals tampered with the landing gear on two planes. A plug that operates the aircraft undercarriage was disconnected in one plane and undone, but not disconnected, in the other. The sabotage was concealed within wheel wells.") (December 3, 2004) (Read More...)
www2.townonline.com/SOMERVILLE: "AIR MARSHALL LOSES BADGE, ID, GUN LICENSE IN BAR" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "A federal air marshal reported his badge, gun license and government-issued cell phone were lifted at the Olde Magoun's Saloon Sunday.") (December 15, 2004) (Read More...)
CBC.ca: Regina - "CANADIAN AIR SECURITY JEOPARDIZED: SENATOR" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Documents obtained by CBC News show that 1,127 uniform items belonging to Canadian airport screeners were lost or stolen in a nine-month period. Nearly a quarter of those items had the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA) logo on them. Among the missing items are 91 metal shields that act as security badges, which worries Liberal Senator Colin Kenny, the chair of the Senate's national security and defence committee.") (Last Updated December 3, 2004) (Read More...)
TIMES-STANDARD.com: "THIEVES MAKE OFF WITH FED'S SUV AND WEAPONS" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Also taken was ammunition, ranger uniforms, law enforcement badges and credentials. The entire vault the weapons and ammunition were being stored in was stolen. The SUV is described as being white and having a National Parks logo and green stripes. A radio and emergency lights were also in the vehicle.") (Last Updated November 18, 2004) (Read More...) (Note: This url has expired.)
FOX21.com - FOX CAROLINA: "STOLEN TRACTOR TRAILER" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "It's a red 1994 Mack tractor like the one pictured here, with a South Carolina license tag and Mount Bethel Logging, Incorporated is written on both doors. The words Bet Seven are also written in white letters on both sides.") (November 19, 2004) (Read More...)
THE KCRA CHANNEL: "TRAINING TRAILER STOLEN FROM UC DAVIS MEDICAL CENTER" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The trailer is a 14-foot, 2003 Interstate Load Runner. It has a state-exempt license plate No. 914793.") (Updated November 18, 2004) (Read More...)
THE UNION LEADER.com and NEW HAMPSHIRE SUNDAY NEWS: Epping - "MISSING: ONE 3,000-GALLON OIL TRUCK" (ARTICLE SNIPPETS - TRUCK DESCRIPTION: "Buxton oil," "a schoolbus-yellow 2004 Kenworth," "loaded with 3,000 gallons of heating oil," "The truck has "32" in black lettering on its side and has New Hampshire license plate AE7537. Anyone with information is asked to call Epping police, 679-5122.") (November 17, 2004) (Read More...)COURIER POST ONLINE.com: "MISSING TANKER WORRIES FBI" ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The empty, four-compartment truck, which is capable of carrying about 9,200 gallons of fuel, was taken from the TK Transport Terminal on Derousse Avenue sometime between April 8 and 12. The tanker had a New Jersey license plate number T852SC and a New Jersey Motor Fuel Tag Number 15148. WHERE TO CALL Anyone with information about the tanker is asked to call either the FBI at (215) 418-4000 or Pennsauken Police at (856) 488-0080.") (November 12, 2004) (Read More...)Google - Search News: "FUEL TANKER" (Read More...)
NBC4i.com: "Columbus, Ohio - "NUMEROUS PROPANE TANKS STOLEN FROM STORE Witness Said He Saw Truck, People" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Burton said a witness called the store as the theft occurred. The manager on duty then called police, but the suspects left the scene before police arrived. The witness said he saw a large white Ryder truck and two sets of feet between the store and cages.") (Updated November 30, 2004) (Read More...)TheDenverChannel.com: Denver - 7NEWS Investigation Into Missing Propane Spurs FBI Probe One Tank Could Destroy Small Building" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The FBI is contacting its Joint Terrorist Task Forces in Washington and around the country after 7NEWS Investigator John Ferrugia asked federal officials about hundreds of gallons of missing liquid propane gas. About 100 propane gas cylinders have been stolen since July and so far, none of them has been recovered, Ferrugia said.") (Updated November 8, 2004) (Read More...)TheBatt.com - THE BATTALION (AP): Laredo, Texas - "PROPANE TANKS STOLEN" (June 3, 2004) (Read More...)
MOB MAGAZINE.com: "FBI LOOKING INTO THEFTS OF PROPANE TANKS" (March 20, 2003) (Read More...)
CNEWS.canoe.ca (CP): Ottawa - "MOUNTIES WARN OF AL-QAIDA HIDDEN MESSAGES" by Jim Bronskill (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "An internal report obtained by The Canadian Press gives credence to the long-rumoured possibility Osama bin Laden's terrorist network and other extremist groups are using a technique known as steganography to hide the existence of sensitive communications.") (December 8, 2004) (Read More...) (Note: url may expire.)
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=426
2/2004
Clip No. 426
"Former Secretary-General of the Gulf Cooperation Council Abdallah Bishara: Iranian Nuclear Weapons Threaten the Countries of the Region"
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The folliowing are excerpts from an interview with the former secretary-general of the Gulf Cooperation Council Abdallah Bishara:"
Note: The following text is an exact quote:
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http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2004/12/004370print.html
December 19, 2004
Prayers then death
Why? Because they conceived of their attack as a religious act. No doubt they were praying for success, and to be accepted as martyrs in Islamic Paradise. From Australia's The Advertiser, with thanks to Nicolei:
THE Muslim militants accused of bombing Australia's Embassy in Indonesia stopped to pray at a mosque next to a government ministry moments before they carried out the attack, police have revealed.
The disclosure came yesterday during a police reconstruction of the group's alleged movements ahead of the September 9 blast.
The attack killed 10 people, one of them apparently a suicide bomber, and injured more than 100.
Posted at December 19, 2004 08:25 PM
No, I don't necessarly think so. Plenty of anti-semitism left in Europe, particularly Germany. Nazism may be outlawed in Germany, but that does nothing to the inbred mindset of some.
That is part of my initial thoughts. However, to pop a flare is to draw attention to one's presence therefore why would one have one to begin with if the plan is to be covert or relying upon stealth.
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"France Launches Spy Satellite"
NewsMax ^ | 12/19/04 | AP
Posted on 12/19/2004 7:11:08 PM PST by wagglebee
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "PARIS A European rocket roared into space from a pad in South America on Saturday, placing into orbit a surveillance satellite billed as giving France's military new abilities to spy worldwide.
The unmanned craft lifted off smoothly from a launch center in Kourou, French Guiana, at 1:36 p.m. the third and last launch of an Ariane-5 rocket this year, Arianespace said.
The satellite and six smaller scientific ones were placed into orbit about an hour after liftoff. It was the first time in 11 years that an Ariane rocket carried as many as seven satellites on a single launch.
The Helios 2A military satellite, the rocket's main cargo, is to rotate in sun-synchronous orbit around 435 miles above the Earth, Arianespace said.
"The success of the Helios 2A launch is a great step forward for our space policy," Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said at Ecole Militaire. "Mastering space is an imperative for tomorrow," she said, calling for greater space cooperation in Europe.
The French military will "benefit from additional capabilities, more precise images and faster reaction speed," she said at a screening room at the Paris academy.
Cruise Missile Guidance
Among expected functions, the satellite is to monitor possible weapons proliferation, prepare and evaluate military operations and digitally map terrain for cruise missile guidance, the French Defense Ministry said in a statement Friday."
Bioweapons are older than nuclear weapons. They are not something that we've just awakened to. Same for more 'natural' flu. A decade or so ago it was the Hong Kong flu that was to devistate the world - yet we survived. Every year there is a strange virus that appears and is going to affect millions. There is a degree that awareness and research are necessary. On the other hand, there is a lot of what I see as scare mongering as it is a vehicle for more money. The problem for most bioweapons is that once you release them, you are at almost as much risk as your target. Not much reason to try to rule the world if you are dead due to your own virus.
Cindy your post rang a bell connect the dots with these two groups and some recent history of SCO.
Is it any wonder we had to go to war with Iraq? What a masterfull chess game...Now lets all go shopping at Wal-mart. Thank GOD we can be a self-standing country. Close the fricking boarders an kick the UN out. Rant over~ ~ ~ ~
The Joint Press Communiqué between the People's Republic of China and The Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (GCC)
2004/07/07
The joint delegation of six finance ministers of member states of the Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (GCC) and the GCC secretary general paid a visit to China from July 4 to 7. At the end of the visit, China and the GCC issued a press communiqué as follows.
The Press Communiqué
snip
The two sides signed the Framework Agreement on Economic, Trade, Investment and Technological Cooperation between the People's Republic of China and the Member States of the Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (GCC). The agreement aims to encourage cooperation and technological exchanges in the above-mentioned areas, expand bilateral trade exchanges, encourage exchanges between the business communities of the two sides and promote mutual investment through various measures. The agreement also stipulates the establishment of a joint committee for cooperation, whose responsibility is to implement this agreement and other agreements or protocols signed based on this.
http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/wjdt/2649/t142542.htm
History....
Apply Tin Foil
I just want to put this out there FYI something to watch referring back to Daniel and the ten toes...I had never heard of this group until last week.
They are hoping to add Iran and India. Which would put them at 8 countries. They are spending time in Cuba also. All together this could be the 200 million man army easy.
Revelation 9:16
The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them.
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What Is The Shanghai Cooperation Organization?
In 1996, China founded a little-known international alliance known as the "Shanghai Five". It consisted of China, Russia, and three Central Asian States once part of the Soviet empire, Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, and Tajikistan. The group specifically focused on battling the terrorist threats emanating from Afghanistan and ensuring regional stability. In June 2001, Uzbekistan was invited to join and the group was officially named the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
http://www.sinomania.com/CHINANEWS/shanghai_cooperation_organization.htm
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China, Russia, Central Asian nations strengthen ties
May 29, 2003
AFP
Leaders of China, Russia and four Central Asian nations Thursday warned against unilateral action in the war on global terror and pledged closer ties as Moscow seeks to counter US influence in its traditional backyard.
The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) -- which comprises China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan -- agreed to transform their fledgling six-nation body into a proper international organisation by 2004.
http://www.cdi.org/russia/259-16.cfm
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China Rocks the Geopolitical Boat with Iran Oil Deal
ZNet, MA - Dec 3, 2004
... Iran appears more and more interested in joining the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) to form a powerful axis with its twin pillars, China and Russia ...
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Putin's push for a strategic triangle
By Sergei Blagov
MOSCOW - Russia is again calling for a Moscow-New Delhi-Beijing axis, an alliance of three nuclear-armed countries of some 2.5 billion people that theoretically would be able to balance US power in coming years.
Cooperation among Russia, India and China "would make a great contribution to global security", Russian President Vladimir Putin announced in New Delhi. The Kremlin leader, on a visit to India over the weekend, accused the West of pursuing a dictatorial foreign policy and setting double standards on terrorism
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/FL08Ag02.html
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I am not sure of this but could SCO also fit Gog an Magog?? Correct me if I am wrong.
Ezekiel 38
Prophecy about Gog and Future Invasion of Israel
1And the word of the LORD came to me saying,2"Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of agog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him 3 and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal.
Revelation 20:8
and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
YUP! THANKS.
Davey your research is good, thank you for alerting me to this group and all the sidelines it involves.
Here is a tiny snip of a page, it should be read by all and we must understand that it is only 90 miles to Cuba, a mere
nothing, if they decide we need attacked.
http://www.puenteinfocubamiami.org/cuba_and_the_terror_coalition.html
SPECIAL REPORT ON
CUBA AND THE TERROR COALITION:
The Emergence of the Terrorist International
by Orlando Gutierrez-Boronat
(with research support from Rafael Artigas and Ana Carbonell)
Center for the Study of a National Option
It was not hard to guess what common foe brought the Supreme Leader and the
Comandante together for their
summit meeting in Tehran in May of this year. The statements made by Fidel Castro
during his visit to Iran are
chilling when read in light of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. According to news reports,
during the visit Iranian
Supreme Leader Khamenei "assured Castro that Iran and Cuba can defeat the US
hand in hand," to which Castro
agreed, adding that America was "extremely weak today," and that "we are today
eye-witness to their
weakness, as their close neighbors." At Tehran University he stated to the thunderous
applause of students and
faculty that "The imperialist king will finally fall," (AFP, May 10th). Immediately
afterwards the Iranian Press
Service proudly proclaimed that "Iran and Cuba reached the conclusion that together
they can tear down the
United States." (IPS, May 10th)
Some have argued that Cubas well-documented sponsorship and instigation of
international terrorism is a thing
of the past, to be understood in light of the Cold War context. However, irrefutable
evidence indicates that to
this day:
a.The Castro dictatorship continues to actively harbor international terrorists,
b.The Castro dictatorship continues to pursue a strategic alliance with terrorist
states so as to create an anti-Western international front, and
c.The Castro dictatorship has engaged directly in terrorist attacks and
espionage against Americans. \
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