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MSNBC: Santorum Stabs Us In The Back...AGAIN! Rick "Rounding Up" Judiciary Chair Votes For Specter!
GrassrootsPA ^ | 11/17/04 | GrassrootsPA

Posted on 11/17/2004 10:45:21 AM PST by GeneralHavoc

First he single-handedly cost Toomey the race, and now this!

If this report is correct, Rick Santorum has a LOT of explaining to do...

MSNBC:

Although a staunch foe of abortion and same-sex marriage, Santorum helped Specter win re-election this year and according to Specter, has been rounding up support for him as Judiciary chairman.

"Sen. Santorum has been enormously helpful," said Specter Tuesday. "He's gone above and beyond the call of duty. My number one priority in the next two years is to reelect Sen. Santorum."

For conservative voters who may dominate in the 2008 GOP primaries, one doubts that this would really be an appealing campaign slogan: "Rick Santorum: The man who brought you Arlen Specter."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: professionalvictims; santorum; shutup; specter; victimology
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To: Huck

My take: Lay off Santorum.

The CJ is a sick man and there will be a CJ nomination and an associate justice nomination in a couple months. I will assume - because I refuse to believe my party is THAT stupid - that the leadership and committee Republicans have made clear to Arlen that the price of admission to the chair is successful confirmation of W's nominations, including Justice Thomas to CJ.

I will also assume that Arlen will not be the final word on committee staff.

I further assume that Arlen will make sufficiently recordable pledges to the leadership and committee to allow his balls to be held in safekeeping.


101 posted on 11/17/2004 1:10:32 PM PST by exDem from Miami
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To: TAdams8591

"Maybe we can run a "true conservative" against him in the primary next time.Anyone with an (R) after his name can win in PA."

Sounds good to me.

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This is where your lack of understanding of politics comes into play..

Santorum is already in serious trouble in 2006 against a very very formidable opponent. This is the idea of an imbecile to try to "Out" the most conservative "Blue State" GOP Senator we have.

Thank god you don't have any RNC leadership, we'd still be in the minority with a President John Kerry.


102 posted on 11/17/2004 1:16:11 PM PST by Josh in PA
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To: TAdams8591
The senate sure bows to "pressure" when it comes from the left, though don't they? God forbid the Senate EVER listen to those on the right.

Hopefully Dasshole paid the price for that. Retaliation is sweet, but is it the "right" thing to do?

104 posted on 11/17/2004 1:17:19 PM PST by Cold Heat (There is more to do! "Mr. Kerry, about that Navy discharge?")
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To: exDem from Miami

Santorum's been such a money player for us, hasn't he? I mean, I understand ppl expecting the worst from ANY politician, but maybe just this once Santorum deserves the benefit of the doubt. I'm just raising the notion.


105 posted on 11/17/2004 1:20:50 PM PST by Huck (The day will come when liberals will complain that chess is too violent .)
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To: GeneralHavoc

This is why Republican Governors remain the best source of future presidents.

We get to see WHAT AND HOW they'll govern.

Forget the Senate. It's a bunch of compromisers who exalt that very thing.

Let's find a governor with backbone and back him.


107 posted on 11/17/2004 1:26:10 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: GeneralHavoc
I would not call that a back stabbing. He is calculating, right or wrong, that it will be better to work with Specter than have him as a mad adversary. That, of course, hinges on whether Specter ultimately can be trusted.

If Specter truely is with us, then he will lend a perception of moderation in any heated confirmation hearings and will be an important vote in favor of any nominee to the bench. If he can not be trusted, well, then he will be the back stabber. But Santorum is not a back stabber in my opinion. He has been an excellent Senator.

108 posted on 11/17/2004 1:30:00 PM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: sam_paine
Uh? Specter goes through the wringer, and everyone goes to the mat to save his nomination

Yep, the "Two-Party Cartel" again at its best. Shall we just use one issue showing how RINOs & liberals get the break by ALL in this cartel & a conservative gets the ax? Ever heard of Trent Lott? Nothing different - nothing new. And nothing changes from the sheeple that vote them back in each time so as to screw TRUE conservative & while raising their salaries.

109 posted on 11/17/2004 1:38:07 PM PST by Digger
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To: Digger

You're a real victim, aren't you?


110 posted on 11/17/2004 1:40:06 PM PST by Barlowmaker
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To: Josh in PA
Then, I suppose Thomas Sowell and others also don't understand politics either.

Josh, I have been following politics for 25 years. I understand it all too well. Republican politicians like Santorum almost NEVER pay a price for the mistakes they make. We, the constituent's pay the price. Babies in the womb, pay the price. Other innocent people pay the price. Republicans, like myself, keep voting the same Republicans back into office, despite what they do or don't do, because we don't want the Democrats to win. Republican politicians now take the votes of conservatives for granted and do whatever they please. Their careers come first, even before the cause and the innocent people they hurt.

This is not a mistake I am willing to make anymore. Politicians including Republican politicians cannot take the votes of conservatives for granted any longer. When they make the kind of mistakes Santorum is now making, we cannot vote them back into office. Strategically, it's wrong; it gets us nowhere and we end up with little or nothing.

This was no minor betrayal by Santorum. He betrayed us BIGTIME. Twice. It cannot be swept under the carpet and forgotten.

We shall see what happens with the judges. I hope I'm wrong, but I very much doubt it. Specter will become the head of the judiciary and will go back to doing the damage he has always done. Only this time the consequences will be broader, deeper and farther ranging.

111 posted on 11/17/2004 2:03:30 PM PST by TAdams8591 (BORK SPECTER!!!)
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To: Cold Heat
Regarding Specter, my motivation isn't revenge. As mere mortals, we couldn't begin to avenge the damage and destruction he has caused. God will handle that. I don't want Specter preventing conservative justices from getting on the Supreme Court and ruining it for another 20, 30 or 40 years.

However, we do have to begin holding Republican politicians accountable for the decisions they make and voting them out of office if necessary.

112 posted on 11/17/2004 2:13:45 PM PST by TAdams8591 (BORK SPECTER!!!)
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To: GeneralHavoc

First of all, the story is from MSNBC. so I don't believe it. It sounds like a set-up to Burn Santorum... I want confirmation.

from 2 other reliable sources.


113 posted on 11/17/2004 2:29:10 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Josh in PA

Spector has done alot of things in the past to create serious concerns about his ethics but I also know that I have come to trust GW's instincts...he doesnt make foolish choices. I think the President has either got personal assurances from Spector or assurances from people he really trusts that Spector is the one likely to forge the presidents judges through to at least a vote on the floor which is where the Senate majority can have its true effect.

Whew a long winded sentence, Rush Limbaugh has pointed out that Spector may have been "using the press" to dampen the Liberals fears and thus have some freedom to garner enough Demorat agreement to avoid having to go "nuclear" to end the fillibuster threats.

I don't know enough of Santorum, other than his strong opposition to the Scotus decision on behalf of those two caught in the act of sodomy in Texas...but I DO TRUST the Presidents discernment in who he chooses to endorse.


114 posted on 11/17/2004 2:29:58 PM PST by Tarl ("Men killing men, feeling no pain...the world is a gutter - ENUFF Z'NUFF")
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To: RockinRight
Specter has had his testicles lopped off the last few weeks.

How do you lop off something that ain't there to begin with?

115 posted on 11/17/2004 2:33:33 PM PST by womanvet
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To: GeneralHavoc
Which is more important, re election or opposing Specter?????

Once again conservatives lose.

116 posted on 11/17/2004 2:35:53 PM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: GeneralHavoc

Any talk of pulling the rug on Santorum is nonsense. Pennsylvania is a blue state just like California, believe it or not, and some here would throw out Santorum? I'm sure Gov. Rendell is licking his chops.


117 posted on 11/17/2004 2:39:50 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: GeneralHavoc

Let's not make too big a deal out of this. Santorum is practicing what's called Senatorial courtesy. It's against custom to campaign against one's home state colleague in the general, and unheard of to oppose him in a priamry.

There is an upside to this. Even if Specter does get the chairmanship, he will be beholden to Senate conservatives who gave him a chance to prove his loyalty. He will probably support a conservative nominee, and possibly use his influence with 'Rats to win a few crossovers.


118 posted on 11/17/2004 3:20:42 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: GeneralHavoc

Also, Orrin Hatch has apparently come out in support of Specter for Chairman.


119 posted on 11/17/2004 3:21:15 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: trubluolyguy
If Spectre tries blocking ANY Bush judge, I'll get the torches if someone else will provide the pitchforks!

I'll be content with providing regular forks, in lieu of pitchforks.

120 posted on 11/17/2004 3:24:37 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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