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Voter fraud uncovered in New Mexico
Washington Times ^

Posted on 11/09/2004 11:29:18 AM PST by No Dems 2004

Washington, DC, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- Observers watching the counting of New Mexico's 2004 provisional and absentee ballots have uncovered evidence of voter fraud, Opinion Journal said Tuesday.

O.J. political diarist John Fund said the Bernalillo County clerk "told media outlets that observers had discovered instances of voter fraud" during the attempt to qualify 18,000 provisional and absentee ballots cast in last week's presidential election.

"In counting the first 5,000 provisional ballots," Fund reported, "observers turned up 53 instances of individuals voting more than once. They also found four voters who were dead and dozens of felons attempting to vote. In two cases, the same individual tried to vote three times: early, absentee and on Election Day."

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To: alessandrofiaschi
"ASHCROFT WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!"

Uh, he resigned today.

161 posted on 11/09/2004 6:27:11 PM PST by airborne (Death Before Dishonor)
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To: No Dems 2004

Prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.


162 posted on 11/09/2004 6:29:25 PM PST by Ciexyz (Bush still rules. The sun shines over America.)
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To: Moose Dung
To get the proper context on this story consider the source: O.J. political diarist John Fund.

Um, the source is pretty respected conservative commentator, a member of the Wall Street Journal editorial board, and a frequent contributor to the WSJ Opinion Journal: hhttp://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110005866

He is also the author of the popular book "Stealing Elections" which I bought and find extremely eye opening and written with a fair perspective on voter fraud on both sides of the isle. I disagree with you on N.M., the system is NOT working when it is so easy to vote multiple times, or when you are ineligible to vote. Just because a few were caught (and if we didn't have observers, I wouldn't count on these) doesn't mean things are ok. Read the thread by the GOP observer in Philly (a lawyer) - gross corruption by the Dems handling the voting precinct - 2000+ votes for Kerry, 3 for Bush. Dems having OBSERVERS hand out campaign literatur, etc. Fraud is a big problem in our election system, it needs to be fixed.

163 posted on 11/09/2004 6:38:57 PM PST by Enlightiator
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To: No Dems 2004
Oh, I am just So surprised.

In 2000 with Bush 'winning' N.M. by only a few hundred votes - it was easy to "Oh, we just found a box of ballots that haven't been counted!" - just enough to put Gore in with about 200 over Bush - ALL, every one, of the "found" ballots were for Gore.

this time, they have several thousand to overcome - having a hard go of it...

164 posted on 11/09/2004 6:40:12 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: hapy

Has the Brazilian gotten his American citizenship? I have foreign friends who have been here 30 years but can't vote because they only have green cards not citizenship.


165 posted on 11/09/2004 6:41:05 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Delphinium
Can anyone think of a way to commit voter fraud on a recount?

yeah - NM did it in 2000 - they simply "found" a box a ballots that had "not been counted" and every single one was for Gore - so he "won" on the recount...

they're having a bit more trouble this time tho' due to Bush's much larger lead

but you gotta give them "a" for effort

166 posted on 11/09/2004 6:52:34 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: No Dems 2004

Why am I NOT surprised? LOL


167 posted on 11/09/2004 6:56:36 PM PST by nopardons
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To: maine-iac7

Each ballot is numbered? Wouldn't that be hard to redo? Wouldn't they have to mess with the existing ballots?


168 posted on 11/09/2004 7:03:25 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Moose Dung
Bottom line: The system is working

like it did in 2000 when Bush won by about 600 votes - and then , oh my, they "found" a box of ballots that hadn't been counted - EVERY ONE for Gore - which put him over by a few hundred...

Richardson is known for crooked politics - and doesn't anyone remember this scandal? (Had it been a republican, they would've been wearing blaze orange)

"There is more bad news for besieged Energy Secretary Bill Richardson, already scrambling to deal with horrendous security lapses at the nation's top nuclear-weapons lab...

The Department of Energy under Secretary Bill Richardson has failed to improve on lax security at U.S. nuclear labs and continues to be plagued by new lapses. two computer hard drives containing top-secret bomb designs recently went missing under suspicious circumstances -- altered reports and..." -

the only system working in New Mexico is fraud.

169 posted on 11/09/2004 7:08:18 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: No Dems 2004

I need some more crack is it too late to vote? lol


170 posted on 11/09/2004 7:11:48 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: No Dems 2004
It's over in NM, folks. Just posted on another thread that 10,000 of the 13,000 provisional ballots in Bernalillo County have been declared invalid. With those provisional ballots out of the way, the biggest challenge to President Bush's lead of 8,000+ votes has been removed. New Mexico is safely in the Republican column for 2004.

Clerk: 10,000 ballots invalid (Albuquerque Tribune)

171 posted on 11/09/2004 7:27:13 PM PST by CedarDave (Remember November 2, 2004 -- May it always be known as Vietnam Veterans Victory Day!)
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To: xm177e2
Provisional ballots were a great idea, and this is proof of it. People don't get turned away at the polls, but illegitimate votes aren't counted.

Horse Puckey

if a person wants to vote - he knows about it before election day...he/she should be required to register at least 2 months before election so that legality can be checked -

the hundreds of thousands of same-day votes is ridiculous - and geared for fraud in the first place. NO way to catch most of them in time to count - or not to count!

Same-day voting was instituted for ease of fraud, pure and simple It used to be 6 months before election -

172 posted on 11/09/2004 7:28:11 PM PST by maine-iac7 ( Pray without doubt..."Ask and you SHALL receive")
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To: maine-iac7

What do provisional ballots have to do with same-day voting? The Help America Vote Act (HAVA) mandates provisional ballots in all states. Anyone denied a normal ballot can cast one.


173 posted on 11/09/2004 8:18:56 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Enlightiator

The 1st order of business for the new Congress should be to pass election law reform. Require photo ID for all voters. Require states to compare voter rolls to eliminate registration in more than 1 state. Require states to pull dead voters off the rolls. Eliminate same-day registration altogether. Require states to have 1 uniform way of casting ballots state-wide (not some computers here, some scantron there). Increase the penalties for voter fraud - make it a federal crime punishable the same way as mail fraud or wire fraud. And no political operatives running the polling places. I'm sick of Democrats trying to steal elections!


174 posted on 11/09/2004 8:40:54 PM PST by mysto
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To: hapy

First, ask to see the IDs. Make it sound like he's b.s.ing and ask him to produce them. He probably is, anyway.

Second, I don't know where you are, but if it is legal in your state to tape conversations if only one party knows about the recording--tape his ass spouting about it. You'd better be sure about that law before you record him, however, because you could subject yourself to liability for invasion of privacy. Better to tape him in a public place, not an office, but a conversation in a park or restaurant where lots of people can hear him. Ideally, you'd be in a line together waiting with lots of people around within earshot so there is NO expectation of privacy whatsoever.

If he DOES produce id, and you CAN tape him, visit the federal D.A.'s office for your area (given Conn's proclitivities for being liberal, probably better to skip the state's atty). Give the tape to the ADA who talks to you. Tell him/her you'll testify.

Expect the Linda Tripp treatment if you do this. And get your own lawyer before you do. You could ask around the GOP HQ.


175 posted on 11/09/2004 9:05:45 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: CedarDave
History of NM's late vote-counting
		
bush	364569		
kerry	353788		per wikipedia.org 11/4 (Thursday) 11:32am
diff	 10781		
			
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between mid-day Thursday and Friday PM,  17485 (Bush|Kerry) votes got counted, 			
and of THOSE 44% were for Bush and 56% were for Kerry			
			
bush	372215          USA TODAY 11/6 (Saturd) 3:21:09AM GMT, which aka:		
kerry	363627          USA TODAY 11/5 (Friday) 8:21:09PM MST		
diff	  8588		
			
At that point, Friday PM, the Journal reported there were
still 17,000 provisional votes to be counted			
			
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between Friday PM and Monday evening,   911 (Bush|Kerry) votes got counted, 			
and of THOSE, 33% were for Bush and 67% were for Kerry			
			
bush	372513		
kerry	364240	network.ap.org 11/8 (Monday) 6:41pm MST	
diff	  8273		
			
------------------------------------------------------			
between Monday evening and Tuesday evening,   97 (Bush|Kerry) votes got counted, 			
and of THOSE, 55% were for Bush and 45% were for Kerry			
			
Bush	372566		
Kerry	364284	network.ap.org 11/9 (Tuesday) 9:23pm MST	
diff	  8282		

176 posted on 11/09/2004 9:10:35 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Moose Dung

You're just too funny.

1. We are talking about hundreds of provisional ballots, ballots that leftists wanted to use to cheat with.

2. John Fund isn't going anywhere soon. He's been working for WSJ and is a well known writer--to conservatives.

3. The whole reason you have provisional ballots is the left saw an opportunity to go motor voter one further and try to sneak in voters who weren't legal to register AGAIN.

4. We understand how the process works. We also understand how the RATS game the system. The system only works when Republicans win with a big enough margin so RATS like Kerry have to concede--public opinion is that overwhelming.


177 posted on 11/09/2004 9:11:29 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: airborne
Would you want to be the one to deal with these Dem idiots? Seriously. There are serious instances of voter fraud all over the country. I love how the media buried the crack for registrations scam in Ohio spearheaded by the Dems.
178 posted on 11/09/2004 9:22:30 PM PST by Carling (What happened to Sandy Burglar's Docs?)
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To: alessandrofiaschi

They [lawyers/politicians] protect their own. Don't look for Ashcroft or anyone else to go after the crooks.


179 posted on 11/09/2004 9:23:20 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: No Dems 2004

that's maybe 1% or 2%


180 posted on 11/09/2004 9:25:16 PM PST by paulsy
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