Posted on 10/30/2004 3:46:30 PM PDT by doug from upland
You have greater faith?
In what? And than whom?
At the moment I feel very much the same way. Who wants to be the last man to die for John Kerry?
I'm sorry for your loss and I salute your brother's memory, and his heroic service.
But I'm not about to urge anybody to refrain from serving in a Kerry administration military, nor would I urge my friends currently serving to quit or retire early. They may well do so, anyway, but not at my behest. Can't leave the country defenseless, just because we revile the CINC. Besides, there is little doubt that we will retain operational control of the House of Representatives. Kerry still has to go there, for funding.
I don't know why we're arguing so much NOW, because the votes ain't counted and the fat lady ain't singin'!
Imagine serving under a CO who told lies about your brothers and then expected you to follow his orders. If that dink had turned on Kerry 36 years ago he would have been doing us all a big favor.
We're on the same side here and I'm not arguing with you, but tell me honestly, would you want your son in harm's way with Kerry at the switch?
"I am not questioning the dedication of any individual soldier, but I am questioning the potential effectiveness of any fighting force that is told by its top commander that the war in which it is engaged is at the wrong place, wrong time.
The current crop of recruits weren't even born when Kerry testified before the Senate in 1971, but many of their senior commanders are Vietnam veterans and they remember. They remember all too well."
Bingo!
I was but 11 years old at the time, but I remember.
I'll not suffer through that which out Viet Nam Vets had to endure.
Perhaps they'll take me back after 4 years if he's elected, but hey, What am I talking about! GWB will kick his ass and I'll continue my service to our great country. With honor.
Probably not. But if he really wanted to go, I wouldn't try too hard to dissuade him. I'd trust his judgment to pick the right MOS and to become well trained enough to survive. I believe in the total sovereignty of God. He holds dominion over my life and over the lives of my family. Had I a son, and he wished to go, I and he would trust in the Lord.
Hello, O.C., I hope you are well.
As to your above question, of course not. However, the case here, as in the past in America, is not so clear as that. Yes, Kerry (and Clinton before him, as well as Carter and Johnson if you want to be technical) were and are absolutely disgusting to consider as CinC's. Their presence in that job was demoralizing, and soul-cauterizing for thiose of us who make the military a career.
However, none of those men were found guilty of treason by their countrymen, regardless of the evidence. They were all elected to their office (except Kerry, one hopes) by those same Americans. Thus, under our laws and Constitution which I serve, they were the CinC.
I "signed on the dotted line" about a month before the election in '92 which gave us 8 years of Clinton. I decided to go ahead anyway, due mainly to some words of "old salt" wisdom from some great Navy Chiefs who'd been through this stuff before. Essentially, they told this then-young Sailor that the country could and had survived idiots in the White House before, and their presence made the necessity of having good men in the service all the more acute.
I went on to endure three deployments under Xtoon, two of them to the Balkan theater during which I questioned our mission (in my own mind) every day I flew there. Essentially, I kept coming back to the fact that my countrymen would have removed Slick from office if his actions and policies were so bad. Through their votes, they had APPROVED of his actions, at least enough to keep me over the Adriatic Sea and Bosnia for a year of my life.
By the time the WONDERFUL day of President Bush's inauguration had arrived, I was an "old salt" myself...now an Instructor and senior Petty Officer. I nowe understood far more fully what I had been feeling...that what I had learned, and what I had KEPT as traditions and trusts all those years now had to be passed along to the young, so THEY ould now pass it further, as well as use it to survive and win.
Fact is, those Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen now kicking butt in the Terror War were either trained by guys like me who went through the Clinton mess or went through it themselves. Those who first fired shots in anger in this war were almost all recruited and trained during the 90's. Did the fact that their CinC at the time was a slimy huckster with a zipper problem seem to limit their effectiveness to you? I hope not, as they were TRAINED properly DESPITE the poor examples and bad policies of the Slickster. That's what those who stay during such times try to do...mitigate the damage of bad leaders, who , after all, are transitory.
That, I guess, is the biggest flaw in your "Hitler/Mao/Stalin" analogy...they were "there for life", with NO bounds on their power or ambition. Here, at least, the MAX we have to deal with even an imbecilic peacenik is 8 years.
That's why it is even MORE critical to have people around who serve the COUNTRY and not some guy.
I am afraid that Kerry has more support among the military than most of us would like to believe.
I guess we'll find out in a couple of days, however.
Obviously you want to panic. I'll enable you.If Kerry is elected, the oceans will dry up and your reproductive appendage will fall off. :~)
My co-workers son is going to get out if Kerry is elected. He says many of them are waiting to see who wins on Tuesday.
Again, I appreciate your position and salute all who continue to serve the country, despite the commander in chief. Commanders in chief come and go. If Kerry wins, I hope it is not a problem and we don't need a draft. But for the reasons earlier stated, a Kerry presidency is very worrisome.
O.C. : I would hope that in the event of a Hitler or a Mao or a Stalin, our SpecOps folks would find enough Constitutional reasons to effect a regime change. When forced to take the infamous Twentynine Palms survey in which the last question was: "If a law was passed and signed into law that confiscated the firearms of American citizens would you be willing to use deadly force to accomplish this?" The SpecOps community promised just such an action. Quietly. But firmly. Do a google search for: "An Open Letter From a Green Beret" I posted it here on FR during Clinton's era. Go check it out, both of you.
The Resister: The Political Warfare Journal of the Special Forces Underground Spring 1998 'Defector in Place--USSOCOM'
This letter is addressed to old family Reds, central bankers, military traitors (past and present), academia, media pundits, "civil rights" activists, and "Greens." Your worst fears are justified; Special Forces Underground is real. It's not just a subtitle on the Resister's masthead. Worse for you, is that it's not just in Special Forces. It exists in all branches of the military, in federal agencies, among civilians, and in several foreign countries.
I am an old Special Forces active duty soldier. I've worked with people in all branches of the military, alphabet soup federal agencies, police departments, and civilians. While most people I've worked with are passive supporters of resistance to your "global community," there are some who are willing to actively defend what they believe in.
I will continue to perform my appointed military duties in a professional manner. I will publicly agree with your collectivist policies and parrot your slogans. I pay my taxes, don't belong to any "militia," and won't join any "extremist" group. For all outside appearances I am one of your "global community" peasants.
Having traveled extensively I have seen firsthand the results of failed collectivist governments who have looted their countries into squalor. Most politically attuned people I know have seen it also and know that the only way you can achieve your global community is by doing the same to America.
Some think resistance is futile. Maybe it is. But we are willing to fight you, and make you pay DEARLY for your arrogance. We are moral, principled, and believe in the ORIGINAL Constitution and the philosophies that define it. You see, your mistake was that you thought we'd just mumble our oath and then contradict it when ordered to. but YOU,--you promoters of the "brotherhood of mankind"--are the enemies domestic we are sworn to defend the Constitution against. We didn't choose you as the enemy. By your collectivist ideologies and actions, you self selected.
We pray to the God you SCORN that the day never arrives when we are finally compelled to turn against you, what you expected us to do to enemies foreign. If that day does arise, lament. For I, and others like me, have been trained in the blackest of arts, and the darkest of crafts. Your minions are useless cattle. They cannot protect you. You cannot hide. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE, but you'll NEVER know whether der guten soldat you hired is one of us---or not.
So, to all you altruist-collectivist global citizens: "YOU WILL FIND NO JOY IN YOUR NEW WORLD ORDER."
This letter is extremely articulate and well written. The author is obviously highly educated and totally dedicated. GLAD HE'S ON OUR SIDE! I sure would hate to be one of the NWO minions he mentions when the balloon goes up!
Posted by: ExSoldier
You'll notice the date on this was Spring 1998. But I apparently first signed on here in 1999 according to my profile. As I explained on the About Page, I was here in various forms for quite awhile. FIRST as ExSoldier, then as GunsUp! and now again as ExSoldier.
As bad as they were, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, or Clinton weren't as detrimental to this nation's sovereignty and security as a John Kerry presidency would be. The others were just bunglers, narcisists and idiots. John Kerry is evil.
I can imagine worse scenarios than the dissolution of our Republic into civil war. For starters, I can imagine John Kerry merging our troops with the U.N. or the E.U. But I'm not panicking young man, I am merely expressing my concern for a country I hold dear and if the outcome on November 2nd goes against my wishes, I will mourn for our nation. If Tuesday goes to the liberals, then this country is in great peril of being swallowed to darkness.
I was a professional soldier for 25 years and, as much as I despise Kerry, I know that the military could survive the bastard.
It didn't take Hitler eight years to defeat the rule of Kaiser Wilhelm and change the country from a monarchy to a socialist dictatorship.
The fact that John Kerry's 'Mein Kampf' (aka 'The New Soldier') wasn't written in prison is only due to the bloat and boredom from the ranks of Brokaw's 'Greatest Generation'. It was the fat and happy World War Two generation that failed to properly prosecute the war in Vietnam and failed to silence the likes of Jane Fonda and John Kerry.
The fact that John Kerry was not officially branded a traitor does not detract one iota from his guilt. He deserves death by firing squad for his actions. None of the other CINCs mentioned, as disgusting as they were, could have been convicted of the charge of treason based on fact.
I take counsel from Jesus Christ of Nazareth, myself, and no one else. Heeding my counsel, I fail. If that marks me as recalcitrant, I'll live with that.
I swore NO oath to defend a President..or even like one for that matter.
I'm sure it is still the same now.
Your analogy about Hitler etc. is a false one....
redrock
Your tag line correctly identifies Mr. Kerry. Who would willingly serve under a Benedict Arnold? Not I.
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