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Hating Bush
Der Spiegel ^ | October 27, 2004 | Charles G. Hawley

Posted on 10/30/2004 2:31:17 AM PDT by The Loan Arranger

Europeans may have trouble carving out a common foreign policy, but most agree on one thing: Bush must go. With US elections rapidly approaching, countless Europeans are fervently seeking to sway American voters. But can their efforts really make a difference?

Even in Europe, there is no escaping it. The United States presidential campaign is everywhere. Every tiny change in the polls wins a spot on the evening news and not a day goes by without coverage of the campaign. Academics regularly bash heads over the latest campaign intrigue and a flood of titles critical of Bush and the Iraq war dominate display tables in German bookstores. They are selling briskly.

One trend is clear: Europeans hate President George W. Bush. Moreover, they are appalled that a man many here see as responsible for much of the evil in the world has a good chance of being re-elected to the world's most powerful post next week. Most of all, however, Europeans are frustrated that, no matter how loudly they may groan, they can have no real influence on the outcome on Nov. 2.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; abughraib; allyourvotes; arebelongtous; bush; clarkcounty; kerry; kyoto; oldeurope; rummy; theguardian; unilateral; vote44
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To: The Loan Arranger
The leftist elite in Europe understand that Bush represents Capitalism and Free Markets. The trend in the past 15 years in Europe, maybe longer, is to surpress the Free Market and subvert Capitalism to the State in much the same way the former East Bloc Soviet economies managed to do so.... Europe is spoon fed a daily dose of superior economic hype, superior society, superior statesmanship, etc. with no counter balance in the media. Should Bush be reelected, Elitists will have to face an American Government invigorated by a desire to ensure the Free Markets are fair, that the Political Process at the UN is exposed for its cronism and corruption, and most essential is to OPEN the EU Markets with their barriers to Free Trade to American Products. The EU has insulated herself into an economic bubble, complete with a diplomacy centered on countering America at the expense of free markets and to America's deteriment at the UN and in global forums.

American's love Bush because he is centered on first the Family, a love of his God which is not forced onto the Left, and then his America First approach to all aspects of diplomacy, trade and relations in the world. Bush does not appologise for the ills of the world as if they were of America's making, but rather has a simple "lets fix it" attitude and he wants to know why European's don't put up and then won't shut up when bringing nothing but mouth to the table. Four more years of Bush effectively turns back all the anti-American trade legistation and laws run amuck from the EU and UN.

41 posted on 10/30/2004 4:27:30 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: xuberalles
Yep, it is pretty sad and like I said it is not healthy.

It is like obsessing over the neighbors, you can change nothing and it only make you more critical, enforces a feeling of powerlessness and rage and keeps you from focusing on your own home. Soon you are so focused on "the other" you never notice that your own home is collapsing around your head.

I never thought I would say this but Europe needs to become a little more introspective. Not in how they look to the world but how they look to themselves.

42 posted on 10/30/2004 4:28:41 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dear Santa, I am sorry about Donner but one deer looks pretty much like another in the forest......)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I have always found that European obsession with American politics to be rather weird. They are truly a strange people. Most Americans don't know or even care who leads most European countries. I love the suggestion that Europeans loved Americans and had a good relationship with America in the 90's. That isn't true. Their dislike for us has been going on for a long time. Our dislike for them is something that is just formulating. I think our European "Friends" will find that we can give as good as we get.
43 posted on 10/30/2004 4:30:16 AM PDT by asp1
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To: Jumper

For me its Bush or civil war!


44 posted on 10/30/2004 4:33:59 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: wildcatf4f3

of course I'd never break any laws.


45 posted on 10/30/2004 4:35:39 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: rrrod
I wont be surprised to see riots in euroscumland...possible they may attack our embassies...ahhhhhhhhh a snipers dream!

Indeed - a target rich environment to be sure...

46 posted on 10/30/2004 4:35:56 AM PDT by GunnyB (Once a Marine, Always a Marine)
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To: The Loan Arranger

When I was in the military 56-58 stationed in Germany and the Germans hated Eisenhower. Mox Nicht


47 posted on 10/30/2004 4:38:24 AM PDT by carlyaxt (carlyaxt)
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To: GunnyB

lol..we need to do an election day "punked" show after Bush wins. Showing a mushroom cloud over North Korea or Iran the minute Bush is announced the winner. See the Euros pissing their pacifist pants.


48 posted on 10/30/2004 4:47:52 AM PDT by xuberalles
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To: asp1
Our dislike for them is something that is just formulating.

To know them is not to love them.

In a allied country my first question would be, will this leader back us in a fight? The second would be, will this leader promote an atmosphere where we can trade freely? But that is really really secondary. Other then that why should I care?

In an enemy my concern is, "will this leader be more likely or less likely to attack us?" Once again a very secondary consideration would be their views on trade.

Aside from that and as long as the country remains reasonably orderly and civilized why should I care about how they are arranging things.

Once you move beyond having those be your primary consideration you're interest begins to become unhealthy.

49 posted on 10/30/2004 4:49:48 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dear Santa, I am sorry about Donner but one deer looks pretty much like another in the forest......)
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To: dawn53

as if the farmers of France and Germany are not a large voting block! 50% of the German population is 10 years from their communist roots - of course 80% hate America. The old commies, the old Red Guard and the hate America because they killed our grandfathers generation. Give us some credit. You can have your bases back - we'll go where we can free another country, turn around it's economy then lsiten to their cry baby screams. /pre-election male pattern PMS rant off.


50 posted on 10/30/2004 5:21:06 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: Sooth2222
The French and the Germans will all go away if we only wait a few more years.

They will be replaced by saracens. That is not an improvement.

51 posted on 10/30/2004 5:22:26 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong la nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
There is something wrong with this.

Yes there is and it is the same prejudice in their news papers that spawn the socialistic/progressive view in this country. Let us not forget that Mr. Blair has stayed in the trenches with America; for that I am truly grateful.

52 posted on 10/30/2004 6:43:41 AM PDT by yoe (Kerry is the re-invention of Jimmy Carter)
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To: Outland
The Euro-trash socialists can kiss my red, white and blue butt.
No tongue, please

LOL!

53 posted on 10/30/2004 7:00:03 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: Neophyte
That is what they disdain in this administration so much: it has shown them who they really are.

Bingo!

54 posted on 10/30/2004 7:05:41 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: yoe
Let us not forget that Mr. Blair has stayed in the trenches with America; for that I am truly grateful.

Yep. Tony Blair knows what an ally is. It is someone who can and will shoot and can and will aim at your enemies.

That trumps all ideological differences. And is why france is not an ally to us. Europe mostly has either forgotten the difference or they never knew it in the first place.

55 posted on 10/30/2004 7:31:32 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dear Santa, I am sorry about Donner but one deer looks pretty much like another in the forest......)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

No representation without taxation...unless, of course we get a vote in their elections.


56 posted on 10/30/2004 8:51:45 PM PDT by MissCalico
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To: The Loan Arranger
Old Europe, put on your head scarfs and die already. May your streets be filled with blood, or whatever nonsense the mussies proclaim.
57 posted on 10/30/2004 8:58:26 PM PDT by daguberment ("Kin I git me a huntin license here?")
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