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Buzz Patterson: October Surprise? The Truth Behind Kerry's Military Discharge. What's Kerry Hiding?:
Human Events Online (via SwiftVets head's up) ^ | 10-26-04 | Lt. Col. Robert "Buzz" Patterson

Posted on 10/28/2004 10:31:26 PM PDT by cgk

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To: OldSmaj
John F'n Kerry is a worse liar, traitor, horse's ass and all around POS than Billy Boy Clintoon ever thought he could be.

Before this year I never imagined that Clinton could be seen in a positive way when compared to any other politician. I have changed my mind concerning him when it regards a contrast between him and either Al Gore or John Kerry.

Al Gore is mentally deranged and quite frightening. John Kerry on the other hand should be arrested, put in chains, and then given a fair trial for treasonous activities just before hanging him!

81 posted on 10/29/2004 7:38:33 AM PDT by Radix (Watch this Tag Line for an October surprise.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


82 posted on 10/29/2004 7:47:01 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: xzins

Ref: "The cry should be
Where are Kerry's missing 1972 Discharge Papers!?

Is to remember. Easy to build around."


Absolutely!

RamS


83 posted on 10/29/2004 8:08:43 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping, Tonk.

BTTT!!!


84 posted on 10/29/2004 8:10:46 AM PDT by TruthNtegrity ("No man works harder for his money than he who marries it.")
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To: cgk

Excellent post.


86 posted on 10/29/2004 8:20:16 AM PDT by jimt
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To: cgk
I and others have been writing about Kerry service and discharges for a while. Buzz Patterson does a great job of putting it all together.

Like Kerry I joined the service in 1966, with our service requirements ending in 1972. Kerry's numerous discharges and discharge dates are not normal and can only be the result of a discharge that was initially less than honorable.

Kerry's support of North Vietnamese during war make him unqualified to be President in accordance with the 14th amendment.

87 posted on 10/29/2004 8:20:39 AM PDT by LowNslow (Retired CWO)
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To: JoeGar
Excellent summary. LtCol Buzz did not mention that the fact that Kerry's medals were re-issued which indicates that he got a Bad Conduct Discharge that rescinded them.

GREAT comment!!

Having many Navy friends, having worked on Navy contracts for 22 years of my career, I've been hearing them say this and wondered when someone would pick it up.

The "I threw them over the fence" was always a cover for the fact he had "lost" them, another way.

And Carter did us no favor with his blanket pardon but the subsequent discharge papers are still a mystery.

From the Buzz Patterson points, this one sticks out:

Finally, and most bizarre of all of Kerry's military records so far released is a DD 215, "Correction to DD Form 214," initiated for John Forbes Kerry on March 12, 2001. Among other things, the new form changes Kerry's official US Navy separation date to March 1, 1970! As noted earlier, he wasn't eligible for discharge until July, 1972, and was so. Why, then, the new document in 2001? Why, 29 years later, is there the need to correct or change the record?

I firmly believe that we need to inundate the MSM, Fox News, and the others that were suggested in the early comments to this thread, and try by sheer numbers of emails and telephone calls, to get this information out and center stage. We can make out own October surprise if enough of us got active on this topic alone.

88 posted on 10/29/2004 8:47:07 AM PDT by TruthNtegrity ("No man works harder for his money than he who marries it.")
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To: MJY1288
Unfortunately it's probably too late in the game for this issue to become front page news

PEOPLE HAVE GOT!!, absolutely must get over this unholy obsession with being validated by the LM. They are increasingly irrelevant. And you have to change as things change around you. We all prefer stability. It's the basis for a just society. But the sooner they are gone, replaced or transformed - the better. And that will contribute to a more just society, quite obviously. Much of the problem, today, IS directly caused by the LM themselve.

89 posted on 10/29/2004 9:02:09 AM PDT by sevry
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To: rintense

Rush talking about this now...


90 posted on 10/29/2004 10:30:01 AM PDT by CedarDave (Served with pride alongside the Swifties, Coastal Division 13, Viet Nam, 1967-68.)
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To: CedarDave

Well, that was disappointing. He needs to dwell on this for more than a minute and a half.


91 posted on 10/29/2004 10:35:57 AM PDT by mwp99
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To: cgk

We should at least keep in public's eye that he refuses to sign form 180, that he has something very serious to hide. And hope some brave reporter will corner him about it.


92 posted on 10/29/2004 10:37:58 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Tragically Single

If Kerry had ever used his DD214 to buy a house, using his VA benefits--it could be different than the one he's been allowing to be shown. The realtor/closing co./mortgage dept. of the VA would of had to have a copy of it. VA loans are assumable, so if the next buyer assumed his loan, might be in their files, as well. Might be interesting...


93 posted on 10/29/2004 10:51:44 AM PDT by RoseD (Oklahoma)
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To: Dante3

The article by Buzz Patterson is the best synopsis of Kerry's questionable discharge history and most importantly, he does bring to the fore the one issue I hadn't quite appreciated, by making March 1970 the end of his service someone is attempting to ensure Kerry could be exempt from prosecution on his anti-war activities especially since I believe there isn't a statute of limitation on treason, so Kerry appears to have succeeded in whitewashing his military record.

Not only that but this makes it perfectly clear why the Navy refused Judicial Watch's request into a investigation into all of Kerry's medals. Between the questionable discharge issue and the questionable medals issue including foremost the unheard of three citiations for that Silver Star, a person or persons in the Navy was co-operating with Kerry on his whitewash, whether directed by someone in authority, Kerry himself or some other Senator from Mass., who knows.

For all we know those missing Navy records were shredded around the same time. By 2001, no doubt, Kerry likely figured he was making a run for the Presidency. Sydney Schanberg of the Village Voice, in his own investigation of Kerry as the Chairman of the POW/MIA Affairs Committee claimed Kerry's staff was shredding classified documents from that investigation to the protestation of intelligence agents who witnessed it. After all isn't it the DNC that claims Bush whitewashed his own military record - remember Bill Burkett, the DNC/CBS moonbat. What is it with Democrats and classified documents I wonder.

Of course Kerry's chairmanship of that Committee and his rush to establish normalization with Vietnam, covering up evidence that POWS and MIAs were seen alive in Vietnam, and the fact Kerry had a motive to be in such a hurry - his cousin secured $900 million dollars worth of Vietnam reconstruction contracts has oddly been ignored by the RNC and Swift Boats as well as the MSM.

But no wonder the Navy didn't want an investigation because they want to avoid their own scandal, that they could be so easily duped in issuing those medals in the first place or that Navy personnel could have been doctoring documents to aid the career of a Senator.

Now there had been some talk that the Navy was going to investigate the third citation of the Silver Star because John Lehman, the Former Secretary of the Navy publicly stated that he never wrote that citation nor signed it. I was scouting around and haven't find anything on it since this was reported by the NY Post several weeks ago.

Judicial Watch was appealing the Navy's decision not to investigate, and kudos to Judicial Watch for trying, but I'm not sure if the appeal has been heard yet.

But I seem to recall skimming across an item that said the citation was not signed by Lehman personally but was signed by one of those signature stamps. Hmmmmmm, kind of fits in with my theory here.

It amazes me that 60 Minutes or Bob Woodward wouldn't be all over something like this.

Of course now that Bob Woodward was snubbed by Kerry, Kerry better watch his back.


94 posted on 10/29/2004 11:23:24 AM PDT by littlelilac
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To: hipaatwo
With only a few hours left, there is something we can do and that is to bombard your elected with the questions about Senator Kerry's discharge - it reeks of cronyism and hijinks in our government. E-mail the networks about this especially FOX - Brit Hume and Neil in particular - O'Reilly is on the fence. Somehow Kerry has gotten his "dishonorable discharge" changed - we know when, now we need to know the who and the how! Take ACTION.

SENATOR KERRY - TELL US ABOUT YOUR DISCHARGE AND SIGN YOUR FORM 180 - THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT YOU DID NOT RECIEVE AN HONORABLE DISCHARGE FROM YOUR SERVICE IN VIETNAM!

95 posted on 10/29/2004 11:35:22 AM PDT by yoe
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BTTT


96 posted on 10/29/2004 11:46:07 AM PDT by GretchenM (Rationing brings out the Ugly in some people.)
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To: jackbill
Thanks :)

I believe it was done to correct medals as you've pointed out, but the wording also implies that the date of separation was changed (which to me looks like the same date of separation from his DD214).
97 posted on 10/29/2004 11:52:57 AM PDT by andyk
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To: hubno
Well, I understand all of that. In fact, I have my own framed discharge certificate (USAFR). However, LTC Patterson seems to think that the date of separation has been changed (ostensibly to decriminalize some of his post-war anti-war activities). Looking at Kerry's DD215 and DD214 reveal the same date of separation to me.

I must be missing something. At the same time, it has been shown that he would still be in violation of part of the UCMJ even as an inactive Naval Reserve officer (like when "honeymooning" twice in Paris with the commies).
98 posted on 10/29/2004 12:00:37 PM PDT by andyk
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To: LTCJ

the same America that elected, and re-elected Anklepants-a draft dodger of the highest order-not to mention his perjurious, adulterous activities, and his ability to prevaricate with the best of prevaricators...

A sad situation that this traitor has any chance at all of becoming the CIC-shows just how far this once-great country has fallen...

...and it brings tears to my eyes every time I think about it...


99 posted on 10/29/2004 10:54:59 PM PDT by snuffy smiff (Jean Fraud Kerry-the Botox BoatWarrior,"oh no, aground again and huge riceberg approaching")
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To: Kristian; All
I wasn't ignoring your post. I usually surf with cookies off. Hung around for responses for a while then turned those darn cookies off. Just turned them on again.

You: "But, president Bush being the commander in chief, can't he ask Kerry to sign the forms needed to allow his record to be made public?"

I don't know the legal answer, but I believe our right to privacy trumps Bush being Commander in Chief.

Can anyone with specific legal knowledge answer Kristian?
100 posted on 11/02/2004 11:18:18 PM PST by MIsunshine
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