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Scientists zero in on why time flows in one direction
eurekalert/University of Chicago ^ | 26-Oct-2004 | Steve Koppes

Posted on 10/26/2004 7:36:36 PM PDT by ckilmer

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Contact: Steve Koppes skoppes@uchicago.edu 773-702-8366 University of Chicago

Scientists zero in on why time flows in one direction The big bang could be a normal event in the natural evolution of the universe that will happen repeatedly over incredibly vast time scales as the universe expands, empties out and cools off, according to two University of Chicago physicists. "We like to say that the big bang is nothing special in the history of our universe," said Sean Carroll, an Assistant Professor in Physics at the University of Chicago. Carroll and University of Chicago graduate student Jennifer Chen are scheduled to post a paper describing their ideas at http://arxiv.org/ Thursday evening.

Carroll and Chen's research addresses two ambitious questions: why does time flow in only one direction, and could the big bang have arisen from an energy fluctuation in empty space that conforms to the known laws of physics?

The question about the arrow of time has vexed physicists for a century because "for the most part the fundamental laws of physics don't distinguish between past and future. They're time-symmetric," Carroll said.

And closely bound to the issue of time is the concept of entropy, a measure of disorder in the universe. As physicist Ludwig Boltzmann showed a century ago, entropy naturally increases with time. "You can turn an egg into an omelet, but not an omelet into an egg," Carroll said.

But the mystery remains as to why entropy was low in the universe to begin with. The difficulty of that question has long bothered scientists, who most often simply leave it as a puzzle to answer in the future. Carroll and Chen have made an attempt to answer it now.

Previous researchers have approached questions about the big bang with the assumption that entropy in the universe is finite. Carroll and Chen take the opposite approach. "We're postulating that the entropy of the universe is infinite. It could always increase," Chen said.

To successfully explain why the universe looks as it does today, both approaches must accommodate a process called inflation, which is an extension of the big bang theory. Astrophysicists invented inflation theory so that they could explain the universe as it appears today. According to inflation, the universe underwent a period of massive expansion in a fraction of a second after the big bang.

But there's a problem with that scenario: a "skeleton in the closet," Carroll said. To begin inflation, the universe would have encompassed a microscopically tiny patch in an extremely unlikely configuration, not what scientists would expect from a randomly chosen initial condition. Carroll and Chen argue that a generic initial condition is actually likely to resemble cold, empty space-not an obviously favorable starting point for the onset of inflation.

In a universe of finite entropy, some scientists have proposed that a random fluctuation could trigger inflation. This, however, would require the molecules of the universe to fluctuate from a high-entropy state into one of low entropy-a statistical longshot.

"The conditions necessary for inflation are not that easy to start," Carroll said. "There's an argument that it's easier just to have our universe appear from a random fluctuation than to have inflation begin from a random fluctuation."

Carroll and Chen's scenario of infinite entropy is inspired by the finding in 1998 that the universe will expand forever because of a mysterious force called "dark energy." Under these conditions, the natural configuration of the universe is one that is almost empty. "In our current universe, the entropy is growing and the universe is expanding and becoming emptier," Carroll said.

But even empty space has faint traces of energy that fluctuate on the subatomic scale. As suggested previously by Jaume Garriga of Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona and Alexander Vilenkin of Tufts University, these flucuations can generate their own big bangs in tiny areas of the universe, widely separated in time and space. Carroll and Chen extend this idea in dramatic fashion, suggesting that inflation could start "in reverse" in the distant past of our universe, so that time could appear to run backwards (from our perspective) to observers far in our past.

Regardless of the direction they run in, the new universes created in these big bangs will continue the process of increasing entropy. In this never-ending cycle, the universe never achieves equilibrium. If it did achieve equilibrium, nothing would ever happen. There would be no arrow of time.

"There's no state you can go to that is maximal entropy. You can always increase the entropy more by creating a new universe and allowing it to expand and cool off," Carroll explained.

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To: Alamo-Girl

Yeah, but what about Dingell-Norwood, smarty-pants? =)P


201 posted on 10/26/2004 10:07:14 PM PDT by TheBigB (Please Lord...let Bush win and I promise...no naughty thoughts about Lindsay Lohan for a week.)
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To: edsheppa

Let's see . . .

The apparent lack of symmetry could stem from what might be some false assumptions on our part.

Perhaps space has some yet unrecognized texture or flow, which hinders the action of or on particles when those particles are reversed.

It may be that the weak forces are somehow connected to--or even result from--such a property of space.

And it might be that at some opposite corner of the universe, away from ours, those same experiments might yield different results, as the texture of space there could be opposite that of space here.


202 posted on 10/26/2004 10:11:17 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Ronzo

LOLOLOL! Very good.


203 posted on 10/26/2004 10:12:57 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TheBigB
LOLOLOL! It's all relative. As we learned in 2000, Dingell-Norwood is a very weak force in an election year.
204 posted on 10/26/2004 10:14:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Sheesh. :) I have two University degrees and I'm having trouble following this. But then, mine are in biology and not theoretical physics.

Even calculus gave me trouble. The prof would say something like "Let us consider the problem of a helix uncoiling in N dimensions..." He never fully explained why this was a problem, nor why I should be concerned, even if it was...

205 posted on 10/26/2004 10:18:07 PM PDT by TheBigB (Please Lord...let Bush win and I promise...no naughty thoughts about Lindsay Lohan for a week.)
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To: TheBigB; betty boop; xzins
Thank you so much for your reply!

The prof would say something like "Let us consider the problem of a helix uncoiling in N dimensions..." He never fully explained why this was a problem, nor why I should be concerned, even if it was...

I had never considered the import of geometry on origin of the species until I read this recent article: The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories

Biological information per se has been a fascination for quite some time (Shannon paraphrased as "successful communication") in that physicists and mathematicians center on answering the root question "what is life?" and have thus far pointed to information is the difference between, say, a live skin cell and a dead one.

206 posted on 10/26/2004 10:26:49 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Soooooo, then if Time couldn't exist before the Big Bang. Then we must think of the "Big Bang" in another sense ? perhaps as a reverse implosion of yet another time or Universe. Which of course implies multiple times existing in a singularity. By the way, I haven't kept up much with the latest and greatest lately, but how is research going with creating artificial singularities that can be used to stretch or warp space time ?


207 posted on 10/26/2004 10:29:16 PM PDT by CheezyChesster (Patiently waiting Kerry's Big Bang Bust !)
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To: ApesForEvolution
"Scientists blah blah blah, blah blah blah, blah blah-blah, blah-blah-blah..."


Well, to quote Opus, "Research physicists need Porsches too". You can bet this article will help pull in that federal NSF grant money. Which, unfortunately, is often the whole point of the exercise. As soon as someone comes up with a new wrinkle in elementary particle physics, all the cosmologist's theories will go out the window anyway. But the grant money, that will just keep on flowing. Sort of like time.
208 posted on 10/26/2004 10:33:24 PM PDT by OlBlue
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To: ckilmer

The next thing they plan to study is :Why up is up.


209 posted on 10/26/2004 10:35:29 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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To: CheezyChesster; betty boop; xzins
Thank you so much for your reply!

Soooooo, then if Time couldn't exist before the Big Bang. Then we must think of the "Big Bang" in another sense ? perhaps as a reverse implosion of yet another time or Universe. Which of course implies multiple times existing in a singularity.

Any of these paths - whether collison of branes or multi-verse, etc. - all nevertheless regress back to a beginning. The plentitude argument (anything that can exist, has) only works in an infinity of past chance.

At bottom, physical reality is geometric. As Einstein once said, reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. Even the nature of time is a transformation of space. Some theories call for multiple time dimensions, most theories call for more than three spatial dimensions.

The only "self-contained" theory known to me is Max Tegmark's Level IV multi-verse which is a kind of radical Platonism. In his theory, every existent is a mathematical structure in higher dimensionality. This makes sense and is consistent with Scripture.

In every case though, the conclusion is a non-corporeal, non-spatial, non-temporal beginning. IOW, try though it may, cosmology cannot avoid God.

By the way, I haven't kept up much with the latest and greatest lately, but how is research going with creating artificial singularities that can be used to stretch or warp space time ?

I heard rumors of such a experiment, but since we are still here I presume it was not a success LOL!

210 posted on 10/26/2004 10:44:52 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Ever read "God is the Machine" by Kevin Kelly ?


211 posted on 10/26/2004 11:05:12 PM PDT by CheezyChesster (Watch out for little Green men voting for tall Orange men)
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To: CheezyChesster
Thanks for the reply and book suggestion!

I have not read "God is the Machine" - but it sounds like an interesting thought experiment on the line of other mind challenges such as "all that there is" is a figment of one's imagination. From what I have heard Kelly's speculation is that "all that there is" is actually a program, i.e. information.

I am drawn to geometric physics, including such theories as 4D matter is a manifestation of a higher dimensional vacuum (Space-Time-Matter Consortium)

212 posted on 10/26/2004 11:22:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ckilmer
why does time flow in only one direction,

It doesn't. I proved that in my younger days years ago.

All it takes is one bad hangover and putting your pants on backwards and your watch on upside down.

When I quit drinking after that my wife said, "It's about time".

213 posted on 10/26/2004 11:38:30 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck (John Kerry is Catholic. John Kerry supports Abortion and Gay Marriage. Flip flop,flip flop.)
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..
Just found the thread. Un-timely ping:
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See the list's description in my freeper homepage. Then FReepmail me to be added or dropped.
214 posted on 10/27/2004 3:36:49 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: Southack

Am I missing something? In the article they say that entropy is infinite and increasing. Doesn't it have to be one or the other? How can it be both? I don't think it can be both. How is infinity measurable? Is increase in entropy measured by the decrease in what? Infinity? Energy? If energy, why bring infinity into it? b.


215 posted on 10/27/2004 4:12:49 AM PDT by Barset
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To: ckilmer

Thanks for the article. On my way out for another hectic day. Good wake-up. b.


216 posted on 10/27/2004 4:15:55 AM PDT by Barset
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Science has a way of claiming to have all the answers of history, and yet it has not satisfactorily defined time itself.

"OK... 'Time' is what happens between now... and... NOW!

No, wait... Sorry...

Between now... and... NOW!

Oh rats... Give me a second here...

Tell you what. Can you come back a little later on? By then I should have an exact definition of time, and be able to demonstrate it to you."

Mark

217 posted on 10/27/2004 4:18:39 AM PDT by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
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To: OlBlue

Time keeps on slippin, slippin, slippin, into the future.........


218 posted on 10/27/2004 4:24:23 AM PDT by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: Rodm
Carroll and Chen argue that a generic initial condition is actually likely to resemble cold, empty space-not an obviously favorable starting point for the onset of inflation.

The Finger of God?

219 posted on 10/27/2004 4:24:44 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: ckilmer
Carroll and Chen's research addresses two ambitious questions: why does time flow in only one direction

Not always so at my house. This weekend in a blink of the eye, time will flow back a full hour, so there ;-)~

220 posted on 10/27/2004 4:31:52 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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