Posted on 10/25/2004 3:39:15 PM PDT by Lindykim
QUICK LINKS: HOME | NEWS | OPINION | MEETUP | C-LOG | ISSUES townhall.com Printer-friendly version A Christian Can Be a Christian or a Liberal, But He Can't Be Both Doug Giles (back to web version) | Send October 23, 2004
Can a Christian be a liberal? Short answer: no. There is no way a Christian can buy into neo-liberal ideology and be faithful to the bigger-than-Dallas teachings of the scripture and expect to continue enjoying his hard-won religious liberties.
For the "Christian" to lean politically to the left means that he must blow off huge chunks of the Bible and replace the scripture with the make-believe notions of postmodernism's malleable "Christ." Only after torturing the scripture can the Christian then fit liberalism into his supposed relationship with God.
For the Christian who believes that unfeigned faith in Christ should correspond with Jesus' high view of scripture, it is now impossible to believe in God and be an adherent to postmodern liberalism. The twain no longer meet. Liberalism has been hijacked by bizarre special-interest thugs who spit on the Word of God and believe that the Bible has no place in public life, (except maybe in a museum where people can look at it from time to time).
The Christian who has a bent to the liberal left needs to understand something: while he is skipping around the maypole with his rose-colored glasses on, if it were up to the modern, secularized liberal establishment, he would be more restricted than Bill when Hillary's in town. Yes, if the Christophobic thugs had it their way, Christians would be relegated to a marginalized spiritual ghetto on the sidelines of life.
For the naïve Christian voter who thinks he can toss a ballot in the Nuevo liberal direction, please know that a vote toward the secular left could leave you bereft of sacred liberties. Thanks to the aggressive ludicrous liberal lug nuts' anti-Christian agenda, your vote for a liberal, Christian, is a vote for
1. Christianity to be scrubbed from government and whatever turf the government owns. Thanks to the liberals, the Ten Commandments have about as much acceptance in our government and their properties as Rush Limbaugh would at Al Franken's family reunion. Yes, the Judeo-Christian principles that formed the rock-solid foundation of this great American Experiment are now aggressively fought against by the lascivious left.
If if the secularists continue to stay behind the wheel of this American bus, you can kiss all semblance of Christianity good-bye in this heretofore God-graced government. Saint, you might as well say farewell to our government's recognizing Christmas and adios to Good Friday if you're going to vote the liberal ticket. If the secularists have it their way, Easter will be behind your keister, and you can kiss the Cross good-night as an acceptable public symbol that represents your faith and our nation's recognition of Christ's atoning work.
2. Secularism to be continually mainlined into our public school system. Thanks to rabid vapid secularism, our public schools and universities would rather you be a Rocky Horror super freak than a Christian. If your beliefs run to the bizarre or the banal, or if you want to smoke the same philosophical crack that Caligula, Nero, Castro or Lenin freebased, they'll accommodate you.
Our schools are totally open to anyone and to anything, unless, of course, you're a Christian. And if that's the case, then you're likely to get more sympathy from a badger with minimal sleep than you will from liberal educators who are hard at work making your life hard. A vote for the secular left is a vote for Christianity to continue to be officially vilified on campus and Christians to be ostracized in campus life.
3. Public officials, employees and appointees to be pressured to hide their faith in the closet and suppress their public displays of belief in God lest they be grouped with Hitler, Osama, or Mussolini and then fired. Not only will the liberals aggressively work to prohibit the State from green lighting and recognizing Christianity as a legitimate and positive force in our land, they will also attempt to stifle Christians from influencing the path of government.
4. Public attacks on churches and Christians and attempts to restrict them in the private sector. Consider this, Christian pastor and Christian lay person looking to vote for the ludicrous left: the secular Mafioso's intent is to make your ministerial life difficult, your evangelistic work taxing and your voice minimized. And good luck, pastor and church committee, in trying to buy property and get zoning with the anti-Christian libs at the helm.
5. The continued media endorsement of the same putrid hedonistic stuff that sunk ancient Rome. Yes, with the liberals in place, expect more weird crap in movies and on television. Expect to see more paintings of Christian symbols/ saints smeared with elephant dung. Expect Christianity to be bashed and vilified and Christians made out to be buckled-shoed morons with three teeth and an IQ of 50. Expect the culture to coarsen. Expect your kids to continue to be exposed to things that only rock stars see backstage with groupies. A vote for a liberal is a vote to see Christians continue to receive special ridicule and be flogged more than a piñata during a Cinco de Mayo festival.
My ClashPoint is this: Modern liberalism tosses the scripture out on several different levels. How a true believer in the Christ defined by the scripture can buy into what Jesus, the prophets and apostles said and also what these secular thugs say is beyond me.
In addition to liberalism's obvious and odious pro-holocaust-like abortion stance, its anti-biblical view of marriage, its scripture-slamming aggressive secularism, and its feckless view of our nation's defense, liberalism completely clashes with the Christian worldview. Secular liberalism's aggressive desire to eradicate Christians' rights should cause Christians to be concerned.
The Democratic Party's liberalism has degenerated over the last 40-50 years in regard to its view of Christianity and Christian rights. This party, which formerly embraced and protected our nation's great Christian heritage and teachings, no longer does so.
Thus, today the Christian is between a rock and a hard place: he can either be a Christian or a liberal, but he cannot be both.
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Christ is King already, so he wouldn't need to work in an election.
I think Christ does care who is elected in this country. The Scriptures are pretty clear that a country's ruler is very, very important. I do believe that W. is the man for this country. If he loses I will be heartbroken, but the sun will rise the next day. God is always in control.
I'm a Lao Tzu fan.
For the record, I am not a Democrat; I just do not accept the premise that all Democrats will go to Hell. And I do believe that if they (i.e. Democrats) are not or as this post implies, cannot be Christians, then they will go to Hell.
We are all sinners. I certainly am. I often say terrible thing to other drivers when I drive, and, at times, I probably drink too much, among (many) other things. But my accepting Christ as Lord and personal Savior makes me a Christian.
In your about page you said that you hate democrats. They are your neighbors; that is a sin it made the top 2. If you have accepted Christ as Lord and personal Savior you are a Christian.
I hope I have not insulted you by using material from your about page (mine is still only under construction) If I have, I apologize, feel free to ask the moderator to remove this comment I would have no objection, although I do not think it is abusive. My point is that we all fall short of what Christ would want of us. That does not mean He rejects us.
I think its education.Not that they are unschooled but ignorant of the DNC platform.
My Stepdads Mom is a democrat.
I ask her does she believe in a strong defense?
She says "YES!"
I ask here does she believe in Abortion?
She says "NO!"
I ask here does she believe in Homosexual Marriage?
She says "NO!"
I tell her your not a democrat but a conservative.
She says "No I am a democrat and I'll vote democrat cause I always have."
Don't make good sense does it?
If I have, I apologize, feel free to ask the moderator to remove this comment
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I'm not that thin skinned!!! lol You can say whatever you want...doesn't move me in the least. As a matter of fact I have great fun on FR using strong language (such as hate) just to fire the more self-righteous up. Course if you investigated some of my previous posts you will find I can go either way...I can be a peace maker or I can give someone just what they want...the vain notion that they are superior and much better than I am because of what they DON'T do...lol. But insulted or offended? rofl....why would people with fake names, no faces and whatever opionion they want to manufacture for the moment insult or offend me. My life nor the sustaining of my life is not affected by words on a screen from people I don't know.
ps I still don't think you can support abortion and homosexuality and be so blind as to think you are a christian. It should make you want to puke.
"I feel pretty certain that at least most of you understand where I'm coming from. I welcome comments both agreeing and disagreeing with me."
I do know where you are coming from. I've been there and done that for many years. Welcome to the fight sister!
How can a person who has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, vote for a Democrat today? No matter how you look at it, it's wrong.
I don't see Jesus ever approving of baby killing.
You are either for Him or against Him. You can't have it both ways.
Just my opinion but I believe the Scriptures would back me up.
Just something to think about.
I support neither. I dont see how you can condemn all Democrats to eternal damnation irrespective of their relationship with Him. If you are not doing this, (condemning all democrats to eternal damnation, regardless of their relationship with Him) then we do not disagree.
I am glad you are not that thin skinned to be insulted by my quoting your about page. You may have noticed that there are people on this forum who are. I did call you a sinner some would take offence.
Perhaps I am not making myself clear, I am not defending the philosophical principles of the modern Democratic party. I am as I have said before respond to the premise that it is imposable to be a Democrat and a Christian.
Do you believe that it is imposable to be a Democrat and be Saved?
I did call you a sinner
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I am a sinner...saved by grace.
Do you believe that it is imposable to be a Democrat and be Saved?
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Are they a Bush Democrat? Then they are ok, they're not supporting abortion or homos.
The mayor of Youngstown was on Rush Friday I heard him on Beck as well he's making the rounds.
We need to be careful and note that the artical states that can one be a liberal and a Christian not a "Democrat".Zell is a Democrat and a Christian. But Zell aint no liberal.
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