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A Christian Can Be A Christian Or A Liberal, But Not Both ^ | Oct. 25, 2004 | Doug Giles

Posted on 10/25/2004 3:39:15 PM PDT by Lindykim

QUICK LINKS: HOME | NEWS | OPINION | MEETUP | C-LOG | ISSUES Printer-friendly version A Christian Can Be a Christian or a Liberal, But He Can't Be Both Doug Giles (back to web version) | Send October 23, 2004

Can a Christian be a liberal? Short answer: no. There is no way a Christian can buy into neo-liberal ideology and be faithful to the bigger-than-Dallas teachings of the scripture and expect to continue enjoying his hard-won religious liberties.

For the "Christian" to lean politically to the left means that he must blow off huge chunks of the Bible and replace the scripture with the make-believe notions of postmodernism's malleable "Christ." Only after torturing the scripture can the Christian then fit liberalism into his supposed relationship with God.

For the Christian who believes that unfeigned faith in Christ should correspond with Jesus' high view of scripture, it is… now… impossible to believe in God and be an adherent to postmodern liberalism. The twain no longer meet. Liberalism has been hijacked by bizarre special-interest thugs who spit on the Word of God and believe that the Bible has no place in public life, (except maybe in a museum where people can look at it from time to time).

The Christian who has a bent to the liberal left needs to understand something: while he is skipping around the maypole with his rose-colored glasses on, if it were up to the modern, secularized liberal establishment, he would be more restricted than Bill when Hillary's in town. Yes, if the Christophobic thugs had it their way, Christians would be relegated to a marginalized spiritual ghetto on the sidelines of life.

For the naïve Christian voter who thinks he can toss a ballot in the Nuevo liberal direction, please know that a vote toward the secular left could leave you bereft of sacred liberties. Thanks to the aggressive ludicrous liberal lug nuts' anti-Christian agenda, your vote for a liberal, Christian, is a vote for …

1. Christianity to be scrubbed from government and whatever turf the government owns. Thanks to the liberals, the Ten Commandments have about as much acceptance in our government and their properties as Rush Limbaugh would at Al Franken's family reunion. Yes, the Judeo-Christian principles that formed the rock-solid foundation of this great American Experiment are now aggressively fought against by the lascivious left.

If… if… the secularists continue to stay behind the wheel of this American bus, you can kiss all semblance of Christianity good-bye in this heretofore God-graced government. Saint, you might as well say farewell to our government's recognizing Christmas and adios to Good Friday if you're going to vote the liberal ticket. If the secularists have it their way, Easter will be behind your keister, and you can kiss the Cross good-night as an acceptable public symbol that represents your faith and our nation's recognition of Christ's atoning work.

2. Secularism to be continually mainlined into our public school system. Thanks to rabid vapid secularism, our public schools and universities would rather you be a Rocky Horror super freak than a Christian. If your beliefs run to the bizarre or the banal, or if you want to smoke the same philosophical crack that Caligula, Nero, Castro or Lenin freebased, they'll accommodate you.

Our schools are totally open to anyone and to anything, unless, of course, you're a Christian.  And if that's the case, then you're likely to get more sympathy from a badger with minimal sleep than you will from liberal educators who are hard at work making your life hard. A vote for the secular left is a vote for Christianity to continue to be officially vilified on campus and Christians to be ostracized in campus life.

3. Public officials, employees and appointees to be pressured to hide their faith in the closet and suppress their public displays of belief in God lest they be grouped with Hitler, Osama, or Mussolini and then fired. Not only will the liberals aggressively work to prohibit the State from green lighting and recognizing Christianity as a legitimate and positive force in our land, they will also attempt to stifle Christians from influencing the path of government.

4. Public attacks on churches and Christians and attempts to restrict them in the private sector. Consider this, Christian pastor and Christian lay person looking to vote for the ludicrous left: the secular Mafioso's intent is to make your ministerial life difficult, your evangelistic work taxing and your voice minimized. And good luck, pastor and church committee, in trying to buy property and get zoning with the anti-Christian libs at the helm.

5. The continued media endorsement of the same putrid hedonistic stuff that sunk ancient Rome. Yes, with the liberals in place, expect more weird crap in movies and on television. Expect to see more paintings of Christian symbols/ saints smeared with elephant dung. Expect Christianity to be bashed and vilified and Christians made out to be buckled-shoed morons with three teeth and an IQ of 50. Expect the culture to coarsen. Expect your kids to continue to be exposed to things that only rock stars see backstage with groupies. A vote for a liberal is a vote to see Christians continue to receive special ridicule and be flogged more than a piñata during a Cinco de Mayo festival.  

My ClashPoint is this: Modern liberalism tosses the scripture out on several different levels. How a true believer in the Christ defined by the scripture can buy into what Jesus, the prophets and apostles said and also what these secular thugs say is beyond me.

In addition to liberalism's obvious and odious pro-holocaust-like abortion stance, its anti-biblical view of marriage, its scripture-slamming aggressive secularism, and its feckless view of our nation's defense, liberalism completely clashes with the Christian worldview. Secular liberalism's aggressive desire to eradicate Christians' rights should cause Christians to be concerned.

The Democratic Party's liberalism has degenerated over the last 40-50 years in regard to its view of Christianity and Christian rights. This party, which formerly embraced and protected our nation's great Christian heritage and teachings, no longer does so.

Thus, today the Christian is between a rock and a hard place: he can either be a Christian or a liberal, but he cannot be both.

Doug Giles' provocative weekly one-hour radio program, 'The Clash', has re-launched with several new features. Go to and hit 'listen live.' ©2004 2004 Doug Giles Contact Doug Giles | Read Giles's biography QUICK LINKS: HOME | NEWS | OPINION | MEETUP | C-LOG | ISSUES

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1 posted on 10/25/2004 3:39:15 PM PDT by Lindykim
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To: Lindykim
Amen! Russ Lee's "Live 'W'hat I Believe!"
2 posted on 10/25/2004 3:42:01 PM PDT by Bommer (“ Bush met the First Lady at a BBQ? That's Love brotha!" - stainlessbanner)
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To: Lindykim

Serious subject. Here's something to make you smile.

A Catholic priest and a rabbi are sitting next to each other on an airplane.

After a while the priest turns to the rabbi and asks, "Is it still a requirement of your faith that you not eat pork?"

The rabbi responds, "Yes, that is still one of our beliefs."

The priest then asks, "Have you ever eaten pork?"

To which the rabbi replies, "Yes, on one occasion I did succumb to temptation and tasted a ham sandwich."

The priest nodded in understanding and went on with his reading.

A while later, the rabbi spoke up and asked the priest, "Father, is it still a requirement of your church that you remain celibate?"

The priest replied, "Yes, that is still very much a part of our faith."

The rabbi then asked him, "Father, have you ever fallen to the temptations of the flesh?"

The priest replied, "Yes, rabbi, on one occasion I was weak and broke with my faith."

The rabbi nodded understandingly. He was silent for about five minutes, and then he said, "Beats a ham sandwich, doesn't it?"

3 posted on 10/25/2004 3:43:28 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Lindykim

A really great writing!

4 posted on 10/25/2004 3:44:39 PM PDT by GOPologist
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To: Lindykim

Thanks for a good article and a big fat AMEN

5 posted on 10/25/2004 3:47:53 PM PDT by lucky7
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To: Lindykim

This is an excellent article. Thanks

6 posted on 10/25/2004 3:51:16 PM PDT by borntobeagle (International (Global) Test to begin. Please take out your #2 pencils.)
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To: Lindykim
"Liberal (i.e., left-wing) Christian" is an oxymoron for more reasons than just the issues of abortion and licentiousness. There's also the matter of a political philosophy that 1) is based on envy and theft and 2) places politicians above God/Tao/Providence as the source of our unalienable rights.
7 posted on 10/25/2004 3:54:05 PM PDT by snarkpup (Kerry is to national security what Clinton was to morality.)
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To: Lindykim

My favorite on this issue is entitled "Was Jesus a Liberal?" by Selwyn Duke.

8 posted on 10/25/2004 3:54:54 PM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Lindykim

Well Done! Even if a liberal were able to remove the "negative " aspects of liberalism, the positive aspects of this belief system still cannot be justified before God.

9 posted on 10/25/2004 3:55:04 PM PDT by pipecorp ("never know where you're going till you get there." the philosopher Insectus Harem)
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To: Lindykim
Thanks for the post.

At church yesterday I told someone that you can't be a Christian and a Democrat. It resulted in quite an interesting argument. That may not be politically correct but I believe it to be true.
10 posted on 10/25/2004 3:55:41 PM PDT by jan in Colorado (I'm not opinionated, I'm Right!)
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To: Lindykim

“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God.”

11 posted on 10/25/2004 3:57:09 PM PDT by Doe Eyes (Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life.)
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To: Lindykim
Can a Christian be a liberal? Short answer: no.

Correct answer: Yes.

The author disingenously defines both "Christian" and "liberal" so narrowly that he gets his desired answer by definition, not by truth.

In truth, both Christianity and liberalism cover such broad ranges that overlap does exist.

The author is playing the same childish game as Hillary Clinton was when she said in a 02/06/97 CNN interview, "I have to confess it has crossed my mind that you could not be a Republican and a Christian."

This rhetorical game is unfortunately so common that it has been recognized by being given its own name: No true Scotsman.

12 posted on 10/25/2004 3:59:55 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: lilylangtree

Thankyou and Godbless!
a bit of humor is what we all need at this point,so here goes.

a very wealthy catholic had a dog he was very fond of.
the animal became ill,and after extensive examination, the dog was determined to be terminal. The man contacted his Bishop for a meeting. He brought the dog with him and asked the Bishop to heal the dog. The Bishop responded that he knew nothing about animal medicine. The man then said to the Bishop, "I'll give the Church $100,000.00" The Bishop responded, "That's different. I didn't realize the dog was Catholic."

13 posted on 10/25/2004 4:02:33 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 (SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE)
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To: Lindykim
So if I don't vote republican, I'm not a Christian??

My Bible says accept Christ as your Savior and be born again.

Noting about politics at all except, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..."

I don't believe God the Father will bar a person with Christ in his or her heart from Heaven because they didn't vote the republican party line all their life!


14 posted on 10/25/2004 4:05:15 PM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: Ichneumon
Did you read the whole article.
As he defines todays liberals in the democratic party the answer is NO!
He spells that out plain as day.
If you want to use different definitions then write your own article.
15 posted on 10/25/2004 4:10:24 PM PDT by sausageseller
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To: Walkin Man

Jesus isn't a relativist.

ALL liberals are relativists.

16 posted on 10/25/2004 4:13:46 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Walkin Man

The point is, if you support abortions, gay marriages and the like, you are not in keeping with the church. If you feel differently...brush the dust off your Bible!

17 posted on 10/25/2004 4:14:42 PM PDT by Pointblank
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To: Walkin Man
Many who call themselves Christians will stand before Christ the Judge on that day and say
"Lord Lord did we not cast out demons in your name and have we not prophesied in your name? And the Lord will say to them...depart from me you evil doers I DO NOT KNOW YOU..

If you stand with the pedophiles, those of the homosexual agenda, pornographers, liars and perverts Marxists and abortionists (who have killed more than 14 million pre born babies since Roe V Wade)...If you stand with those who wish to destroy the America of our founders and against those who gave their blood their lives their children that in this free nation we might worship Christ as we see fit.....

You cannot possibly be a your mind has been clouded..and you are under deception and strong delusion....

This has nothing to do with voting Republican...yet has everything to do with... Right and Wrong

18 posted on 10/25/2004 4:17:13 PM PDT by joesnuffy (America needs a 'Big Dog' on her porch not a easily frightened, whining, French,"Surrender Poodle"..)
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To: jan in Colorado

"At church yesterday I told someone that you can't be a Christian and a Democrat. It resulted in quite an interesting argument. That may not be politically correct but I believe it to be true."

Whoa, that may be a little too strong. I would never say a Christian cannot be a democrat. I would, however, question why someone who claims to be a Christian would be a democrat considering the party's stands. Although I am a conservative evangelical Christian and currently Republican. I would never equate being republican with being Christian. It just so happens that for the present, the Republican party - at least in writing - is most close to my beliefs.

If pro-aborts & pro-homosexuals became a majority in the Republican party - I would bail in a heart beat. No party has a lock on morality.

19 posted on 10/25/2004 4:19:57 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Lindykim

i scanned the article, but it seemed to miss one important fact. god expects the fruit of good deeds from those he has bestowed his grace upon. big gov't promises to bring "heaven on earth" by making everything equal. when we rely on big gov't to solve social problems, we fail to take the step to help our fellow man, and we miss out on the many blessings of being god's conduit. the sad fact is that big gov't gets in the way of our relationship with god.

20 posted on 10/25/2004 4:21:28 PM PDT by mlocher
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