Posted on 10/24/2004 11:43:35 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
If you recall the media tried to give FL to Gore in 2000 About an hour before the polls closed in panhandle Florida,
The premature calls may have cost Bush thousands of votes from the conservative panhandle, as discouraged last-minute voters heard that their state had already been decided;
Even if the premature television calls affected all potential voters equally, the effect was to reduce Republican votes significantly, because the Florida panhandle is a Republican stronghold. Most of Central Time Zone Florida is in the 1st Congressional District, which is known as the "Redneck Riviera." In that district, Bob Dole beat Bill Clinton by 69,000 votes in 1996, even though Clinton won the state by 300,000 votes.
At 10:00 p.m., which network took the lead in retracting the premature Florida win for Gore?
Over four hours later, at 2:16 a.m., Fox projected Bush as the Florida winner,
At 3:59 a.m., CBS took the lead in retracting the Florida call for Bush. All the other networks, including Fox, followed the CBS lead within eight minutes. That the networks arrived at similar conclusions within a short period of time is not surprising, since they were all using the same data from the Voter News Service. (Linda Mason, Kathleen Francovic & Kathleen Hall Jamieson, CBS News Coverage of Election Night 2000: Investigation, Analysis, Recommendations (CBS News, Jan. 2001), pp. 12-25.)
VNS was a private consortium owned by
ABC News, The Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC.
4 of the 5 of the networks and cable newsrooms
(only ABC waited till both time zones closed)
"announced" Gore had won
BEFORE the 2nd time zone in FL had closed.
This cost President Bush votes in the FL panhandle.
I was at a friends house and the State of FL election website results showed President Bush was winning
In fact, the networks which called Florida for Gore did so early in the eveningbefore polls had even closed in the Florida panhandle, which is part of the Central Time Zone. NBC called Florida for Gore at 7:49:40 p.m., Eastern Time. This was 10 minutes before polls closed in the Florida panhandle. Thirty seconds later, CBS called Florida for Gore. And at 7:52 p.m., Fox called Florida for Gore. Moore never lets the audience know that Fox was among the networks which made the error of calling Florida for Gore prematurely. Then at 8:02 p.m., ABC called Florida for Gore. Only ABC had waited until the Florida polls were closed.
the networks called the U.S. Senate race in favor of the Democratic candidate.
some last-minute voters on their way to the polling place turned around and went home. Other voters who were waiting in line left the polling place. In Florida, as elsewhere, voters who have arrived at the polling place before closing time often end up voting after closing time, because of long lines. The conventional wisdom of politics is that supporters of the losing candidate are most likely to give up on voting when they hear that their side has already lost. Thus, on election night 1980, when incumbent President Jimmy Carter gave a concession speech while polls were still open on the west coast, the early concession was blamed for costing the Democrats several Congressional seats in the West, such as that of 20-year incumbent James Corman. The fact that all the networks had declared Reagan a landslide winner while west coast voting was still in progress was also blamed for Democratic losses in the West; Congress even held hearings about prohibiting the disclosure of exit polls before voting had ended in the any of the 48 contiguous states.
So depress overall turnout in the panhandle,
and you will necessarily depress more Republican than Democratic votes.
A 2001 study by John Lott suggested that the early calls cost Bush at least 7,500 votes,
and perhaps many more.
The first retracting network was CBS, not Fox.
as did all the other networks by 2:20 a.m.
The big 5 media TV and Cable newsrooms are the real threat to the 2004 election.
..."Early on Tuesday, November 7th 2000, TV stations and various media based in Florida reported that Gore has won Florida which was a big surprise for everyone because of strong republican support. Bush's brother Jeb is governor there and Florida usually gives support to the Republicans. Some of them questioned that and during the night CNN showed 52% Bush's lead over 46% for Gore. It is almost impossible to believe that media could have been that blind and biased to report Gore's victory."...
TV and Cable Newsrooms are trying to set it up again.
"Polls to close to call"
"Situation in Iraq bad"
ETC
Where are the REAL questions like
"Kerry, why do you refuse to sign Form 180?"
great post
Calling Florida early also probably cost the president votes here in the West Coast. I heard that people working phone banks that night got up and left once they heard Florida was put in the Gore column.
Lesson to be learnt here, don't listen to the media, go vote, it's not necessarily over because the media says so.
Cool it. We all know who won the last election.
"We all know who won the last election."
This is for the lurkers and dims
The dims still think Bush lost in '00
So does the media
Absolutely. All Bush supporters everywhere need to vote no matter what.
Yeah, but--why are these conservatives in the panhandle so silly as to stay home and NOT VOTE based on the false projections of the Alphabet Networks?
Hope they don't get fooled so easily this time around.
Bump!
I am really annoyed at least one poll today shows the bad guys up 1 in FL. What is wrong with people down there? I hope someone has more encouraging news from FL.
However, if some of these other polls are right, and Bush takes MI, MN, WI, IA, and NM he can actually win this without FL _or_ OH. That will be extremely tough though.
It also costs Bush votes in New Mexico and a number of other states that could have gone to Bush had the MSM not intentionally intervened. This time, everyone must vote regardless of what the MSM claims to be the "projected outcome". Only real votes matter.
BTTT!!!!!!
I actually know of people who were on the interstate on their way to vote after leaving work when the local radio stations were calling Gore the declared winner almost an hour before the polls closed. They turned around and went home not bothering to vote because of the news cast. They were so mad to find out it had been called wrong and if they hadn't listened Bush would have won by a good margin. Lesson learned...Vote regardless of what you hear.
The MSM is currently putting out the 'idea' that there should be no electoral college. Getting people accustomed to the thought.
With the early voting this year, this will be less of an impact than in 2000. However, people still need to vote as long as the polls are open on November 2nd, regardless of what the networks, including Fox and Paula Zahn, are saying.
that picture reminds me of the BIG RED LETTERS "LIARS" that they had over the pictures of the Swift Boat Vets when that girl was narrating it on the Sinclair piece of crap the other night..everytime they showed one of their ads, it would have "liar" or "LIARS" in big red letters, supposedly showing the "Kerry side"...of the SBV's... as if THEM saying it, made it so.....SOB's
The media simply will not call the RED states. Count on it.
I'm not holding out any hope for someone who thinks Bush lost four years ago.
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