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Usama bin Laden is Dead
Froggy Ruminations ^ | October 16, 2004 | Matthew Heidt

Posted on 10/17/2004 2:25:45 AM PDT by billorites

You hadn't heard? Well, I'm not breaking news, President Bush knows damn well that UBL has been dead for quite some time. But why would Bush keep it to himself? If he were to disclose his knowledge that UBL is dead he would blow John Kerry's doors off in the election, and yet he remains silent. Why?

Maybe you're wondering how I know he's dead. Perhaps one of my SEAL buddies let me in on the secret? NO. I know because a publicity whore and grandstanding scumbag like UBL could not possibly resist the multitude of opportunites to inspire his cult members. His number 1, Zwahiri, has appeared on video or audio broadcasts every few months since 9/11. UBL has not been heard from since Tora Bora despite developments in the GWOT in Afghanistan and Iraq that make it unthinkable for him to have remained silent. Not to mention successful attacks in Bali, Madrid, Turkey, and Jakarta to name a few that remain unremarked upon by UBL. The invasion and occupation of an Islamic state by the US and not a word. Elections held for the first time in Afghan history, and he had nothing to say about it in the lead up. AQ tried once early on to air a tape that never mentioned key developments in the Afghan campaign and was quickly discredited as an attempt to put one over on his followers by airing a previous recording. Zwahiri decided that it was better to just pretend that UBL was alive because there was no plausible martyr story to tell. UBL went out running for his life like a coward. He is dead. His remains are turds shat by scavenging animals in the mountains of Afghanistan blown by the wind and stomped on by US troops.

By why not make it public? After all, this is the one thing that could ensure the President's re-election. Have you noticed how coy DOD officials and high ranking officers are when the question is posed? They know. They certainly have intelligence to this effect. Of course, the President could have instructed subordinates to start saying that intel indicates UBL is dead. This would have put pressure on him to prove otherwise by issuing a statement which he is clearly unable to make. This process could have started 6 months ago, and if UBL did not answer, it would in effect prove the case. But it didn't happen. Why not?

Because the President knows that making UBL a martyr would serve to further inspire his minions, and he realizes that preventing this from happening is more important than his re-election. Instead, UBL remains forever silent even as his recruits yearn to hear his voice. Eventually these cultists will realize themselves that UBL went out like a punk, not a martyr and that the AQ head shed has been lying to them for years. That realization combined with US combat boots knocking their teeth down their throats will go a long way to beating this cult into submission. But it is important to recognize that the President's committment to killing terrorists supercedes his committment to his own re-election. I'm sure he hopes that the American people will come to this conclusion on their own and vote for him anyway, but it is quite a risk to take in the ultimate ME situation.

This kind of integrity and committment stands in stark contrast to his opponent. Kerry has proved to be a Blue Falcon, a traitor, a louse, a shameless opportunist, and an lazy bureaucrat that pads his resume. Kerry is a smart guy too, and he realizes what is going on. But it hasn't stopped him from trying to bait the President into abandoning a critical propaganda victory in the GWOT by incessantly peddling his Tora Bora "outsourcing" charge in all three debates. He knows that the President will not respond to this charge so he is free to make it. Just like the Cheney lesbian scheme, this is a coordinated hatchet job, but this is on an issue that Kerry knows the President must choose to either defend the SOF troops that got the job done or remain silent. To his personal credit he never took the bait, but to his professional detriment he must let an unanswered charge linger. Do you have that kind of discipline? Especially in crunchtime? I don't know if I do, and I'll be happy to never have to find out.

President Bush, meanwhile, has just continued to keep the pressure on the terrorists, get us out of a recession, protect the homeland, and generally put the country's interests ahead of his own. He deserves your vote.


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To: EQAndyBuzz

Over a year ago, there was a discussion of a group of men meeting, then being wiped out by a smart bomb, think from a Predator. The leader was reported as tall.

Noticed the next day or two that Rumsfeld was beaming while greeting associates. I think the unreleased tracking camera video told the story.

Last I heard about this incident was a team going to try to get DNA samples.

Bet there wasn't enough of Bin Laden left to identify. I do believe he was killed.


121 posted on 10/20/2004 12:37:03 PM PDT by add925 (Jon Stewrant SUX)
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To: Marysecretary
There's not that much equipment for home dialysis. I could have opted for that but you have to do it every night and drain it once during the day. It's easier just to go to the dialysis center (is there one in Tora Bora???) and let them do it for you.

With home dialysis you have to keep everything very sterile I understand. That's not easy on the run especially if you need to do it night and day. Regular dialysis would be much more easy time wise. Who knows. I still think he's dead and was killed in the Tora Bora bombings when the US was asking for DNA samples from his family. There has not been very good proof that he is still alive. Of course there is no proof he is dead either. Maybe I'm just an optimist :)

122 posted on 10/20/2004 12:41:11 PM PDT by foolscap
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To: billorites

I totally agree. I thought OBL was dead for a long time and I think your rationalization of Bush not wanting to make him into a martyr is correct.


123 posted on 10/20/2004 12:41:31 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde (be wary of slick John Kerry))
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To: billorites

Osamma is in fear from his life from the long arm of the law,hangman is comin' down from the gallows and he don't have very long.


124 posted on 10/20/2004 12:41:53 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece:Charity is conservative;doing it with someone else's money is liberal.)
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To: billorites

Omar and Osama have been "room temperature" for some time now. Since the report, I have heard nothing about it, but Osama's been dead since we bombed Omar's suburban outside of Kabul making a run for the hills before the main invasion force set foot in country. Anyone who wishes to interview Osama or Omar should look for stains along the highway in Afghanistan.


125 posted on 10/20/2004 12:49:05 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: Rakkasan1

The jig is up, the news is out, they've finally found me
The renegade who had it made, retrieved for a bounty
Never more to go astray
This will be the end today of the wanted man

Oh mama, I've been years on the lam
And had a high price on my head
Lawman said get him dead or alive
Now it's for sure he'll see me dead

~~~~yesssssss, Styx/ Renegade ~~~~~~~

Good pick Rakk


126 posted on 10/20/2004 12:51:10 PM PDT by JesseJane (~On November 2, keep in mind what mattered most on 9-11.~)
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To: Wombat101

7. Elanor Clift has STILL not gotten laid.....

She was laid by Clinton on the sidewalk at the DNC convention in Chicago. It was the best she ever had ans has been seeking more eversince.


127 posted on 10/20/2004 12:51:51 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: billorites

"His remains are turds shat by scavenging animals in the mountains of Afghanistan blown by the wind and stomped on by US troops."

Nice imagery.


128 posted on 10/20/2004 12:55:29 PM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: billorites

Simple... He's dead, but there's no proof. Saying he's dead when there is no proof would LOOK like a pathetic lie, even if it is true. So, Bush is mum.


129 posted on 10/20/2004 1:09:03 PM PDT by dangus
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No, no, no, no, he's outside looking in.


130 posted on 10/20/2004 1:09:29 PM PDT by vollmond (Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails.)
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To: vollmond

I'm betting that his head was delivered to W in a box, just as he requested.


131 posted on 10/20/2004 1:13:37 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: billorites

There once was a man whose wife had a cat that completely annoyed him.

One day the cat went missing and she and her husband looked frantically around the neighborhood for it, but to no avail.

The man then offers to put a reward in the local paper's "Lost & Found". Upon speaking to the editor, the said he wanted a reward of $5000 offered.

The editor said, "You mean you'd pay $5000 for the return of that cat? suppose someone finds it?"

To which he replied, "Huh, won't anybody find THAT cat."

President Bush is like the husband and OBL is like that cat...


132 posted on 10/20/2004 1:17:07 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: BlindGuardian

mars, best place for him


133 posted on 10/20/2004 1:18:48 PM PDT by widgysoft (keep looking.... the next tagline might be funny)
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To: billorites

It is beyond the pale to suggest that ANYTHING could have lived after the bombardment by multiple B-52 strikes on Tora Bora. The destructive power is nearly incomprehensible unless you have seen it for yourself.

The problem is, we succeeded too well.

After the 500,000 lbs of ordinance were dropped, there is very very little left to identify. The "smear on a rock" scenario is very close to the truth.

He is well and truly dead, and it serves no purpose to us to say so.

As far as the audio tapes are concerned, you have to listen closely to what is said about them. The only good thing I learned from the Clinton years was to listen carefully to the actual words being said by spokespeople. Note that they always say that the "voice appears to be that of Bin Laden" , or that "intelligence sources confirmed that it is Bin Laden". And we all know that "intelligence sources" often have a hidden agenda.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Cheers,

knews hound


134 posted on 10/20/2004 1:49:40 PM PDT by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: knews_hound

Has the military ever dug into tora bora to see if there were any tunnels or complexes left?

The way everyone made it sound, those complexes could sustain life even after a nuclear hit, provided there was enough food, water and toilet paper.


135 posted on 10/20/2004 2:00:56 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information to society and you control society.)
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To: billorites

136 posted on 10/20/2004 2:04:28 PM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

As I recall, we knew he was at the site, and was trying to get out of Dodge by going over a mountain pass. Our ELINT (Electronic Intelligence) units heard him on a radio giving orders and was able to triangulate his position.

The BUFFs came right in and literally leveled the mountaintop.

There really isnt much to search.

That being said however, you can be sure that we scoured the location extensively looking for just such evidence.

But, one smear on a rock looks pretty much the same as all the others at one point or another.

Only my opinion, but an informed one.

Cheers,

knews hound


137 posted on 10/20/2004 2:18:09 PM PDT by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: billorites

October Surprise - OBL is dead... thanks for posting, I think you may be right.


138 posted on 10/20/2004 3:28:19 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: Sprite518

Interesting - very interesting ... OBL died in Tora Bora after all, which blows a hole in Kerry's BS about us letting him get away ... but the DoD never announced it because they never wanted to make a martyr out of him, hence it's low key ... and *yet* we have these OBL 'tapes' that comes out.

How do they fit in?


139 posted on 10/20/2004 3:31:58 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: ParadigmLost; Sprite518

So we have a phony OBL... LOL ... I just hope the fake beard trick works!


140 posted on 10/20/2004 3:36:17 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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