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October Surprise??? Navy Chief (from SBVT site)
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Posted on 10/12/2004 10:14:15 PM PDT by tazannie

I hope this is good


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: courtmarshal; courtmartial; dishonorabldischarge; kerrydischarge; kerrylies; lessthanhonorable; swiftboat; swiftboatvets; swiftvets
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

PLEASE SEE MY POST ABOVE FOR THE ARTICLE.


341 posted on 10/13/2004 12:56:59 AM PDT by Blogger (Pray for President Bush and our nation!!!!! The Lord is our Hope and Strength!!!!!)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

Posted:

Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.

The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.

The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?

NBC's release this March of some of the Nixon White House tapes about Mr. Kerry show a great deal of interest in Mr. Kerry by Nixon and his executive staff, including, perhaps most importantly, Nixon's special counsel, Charles Colson. In a meeting the day after Mr. Kerry's Senate testimony, April 23, 1971, Mr. Colson attacks Mr. Kerry as a "complete opportunist...We'll keep hitting him, Mr. President."

Mr. Colson was still on the case two months later, according to a memo he wrote on June 15,1971, that was brought to the surface by the Houston Chronicle. "Let's destroy this young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader." Nixon had been a naval officer in World War II. Mr. Colson was a former Marine captain. Mr. Colson had been prodded to find "dirt" on Mr. Kerry, but reported that he couldn't find any.

The Nixon administration ran FBI surveillance on Mr. Kerry from September 1970 until August 1972. Finding grounds for an other than honorable discharge, however, for a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, given his numerous activities while still a reserve officer of the Navy, was easier than finding "dirt."

For example, while America was still at war, Mr. Kerry had met with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegation to the Paris Peace talks in May 1970 and then held a demonstration in July 1971 in Washington to try to get Congress to accept the enemy's seven point peace proposal without a single change. Woodrow Wilson threw Eugene Debs, a former presidential candidate, in prison just for demonstrating for peace negotiations with Germany during World War I. No court overturned his imprisonment. He had to receive a pardon from President Harding.

Mr. Colson refused to answer any questions about his activities regarding Mr. Kerry during his time in the Nixon White House. The secretary of the Navy at the time during the Nixon presidency is the current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Warner. A spokesman for the senator, John Ullyot, said, "Senator Warner has no recollection that would either confirm or challenge any representation that Senator Kerry received a less than honorable discharge."

The "board of officers" review reported in the Claytor document is even more extraordinary because it came about "by direction of the President." No normal honorable discharge requires the direction of the president. The president at that time was James Carter. This adds another twist to the story of Mr. Kerry's hidden military records.

Mr. Carter's first act as president was a general amnesty for draft dodgers and other war protesters. Less than an hour after his inauguration on January 21, 1977, while still in the Capitol building, Mr. Carter signed Executive Order 4483 empowering it. By the time it became a directive from the Defense Department in March 1977 it had been expanded to include other offenders who may have had general, bad conduct, dishonorable discharges, and any other discharge or sentence with negative effect on military records. In those cases the directive outlined a procedure for appeal on a case by case basis before a board of officers. A satisfactory appeal would result in an improvement of discharge status or an honorable discharge.

Mr. Kerry has repeatedly refused to sign Standard Form 180, which would allow the release of all his military records. And some of his various spokesmen have claimed that all his records are already posted on his Web site. But the Washington Post already noted that the Naval Personnel Office admitted that they were still withholding about 100 pages of files.

If Mr. Kerry was the victim of a Nixon "enemies list" hit, one might have expected him to wear it like a badge of honor, like many others such as his friend Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, CBS's Daniel Schorr, or the actor Paul Newman, who had made Mr. Colson's original list of 20 "enemies."

There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued.


342 posted on 10/13/2004 12:57:16 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Blogger

By all rights, Kerry should be toast. But with the 5th column we now have, it is not a sure thing.


343 posted on 10/13/2004 12:57:47 AM PDT by AndrewC (I also think that Carthage should be destroyed. - Cato)
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To: Blogger

Good lord. That phrase "review by a board of officers" usually means one of two things:

#1. An official Board of Inquiry (very bad)

#2. A review by officers on the Board of Corrections of Naval Records (also very bad).

There's no other way to call it anything else but that.

I know, because I've participated as what we call a "recorder" at official Boards of Inquiry. They're usually reserved for officers who cause their ships to sink and things like that.

Both of them are very bad ju-ju in the naval service.


344 posted on 10/13/2004 12:58:32 AM PDT by BigKahuna
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; conspiratoristo; Las Vegas Dave; mabelkitty; DollyCali; ...

Is this the end game for skerry?


345 posted on 10/13/2004 1:00:16 AM PDT by boxerblues (www.ohbluestarmothers.org)
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To: Mrs Zip

ping


346 posted on 10/13/2004 1:01:02 AM PDT by zip ((Remember: pingDimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of Americans))
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To: BigKahuna

Well, I am glad you understand it, but this will get NO legs in the MSM until there is a USG Document specifically referring to what it might all be about. This is tantalizing,but the MSM has NO interest in connecting the dots on this...now, if this were about BUSH...


347 posted on 10/13/2004 1:01:23 AM PDT by Keith (JOHN KERRY...IN VIOLATION OF ARTICLE III SECTION 3 OF THE US CONSTITUTION)
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To: Blogger
Very good. Some nice investigative work by A Navy Chief and Tom Lipscomb. There should be records of the board of officers' review of Kerry's discharge.

Of course, Kerry can clear up all these damning implications by simply signing the Form 180 and authorizing the complete release of his records. Right?

348 posted on 10/13/2004 1:01:34 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: capitan_refugio

Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

Excerpt


349 posted on 10/13/2004 1:02:10 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: boxerblues

bttt


350 posted on 10/13/2004 1:02:56 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: boxerblues

>>>Is this the end game for skerry?

If sKerry were a republican, the MSM would crucify him. But, since he's a 'Rat - we all know how they'll treat it.


351 posted on 10/13/2004 1:03:52 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (At CBS - "We don't just report news - we make it - up.")
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To: truth_seeker
and exposing Kerry at that time would be to Dean's advantage?

Could be, but I believe he's sincere in his quest to find out the truth about the Mia/POW's. Just because it may have helped Dean, doesn't mean it's not true.

352 posted on 10/13/2004 1:04:31 AM PDT by jellybean (Pssst...John Kerry wears frilly, lace underwear. That's why he walks so stiffly...Pass it on!)
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To: boxerblues
There isn't enough in the article to make it mainstream. Drudge will have it, talk radio will air it, but the alphabet companies will just announce "New questions about George Bush's honorable discharge".

If this story is going to make headlines, other researchers are going to have to prove it. Although the logic the article uses to demonstrate the possibility of an other than honorable discharge is strong, libs aren't very good at cognitive leaps.

353 posted on 10/13/2004 1:04:38 AM PDT by DC Bound
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To: Keith

I agree, lots of potential here if there was a real press investigating this.


354 posted on 10/13/2004 1:05:19 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
If sKerry were a republican, the MSM would crucify him. But, since he's a 'Rat - we all know how they'll treat it.

Voters have a right to know the truth. Sign Standard Form-180
355 posted on 10/13/2004 1:05:23 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: Blogger

You are an awesome blogger! Thanks!


356 posted on 10/13/2004 1:06:16 AM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Keith in Iowa

You are 100% correct IMO!


357 posted on 10/13/2004 1:06:34 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: BigKahuna

I have been following your comments on this thread. So what do you think is going on, now that the story has been posted?


358 posted on 10/13/2004 1:06:52 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Blogger

This is why Mapes and Rather were so eager to show Bush as deficient in his military service---moral equivalency again---they knew this would come out---This is why the obsession with his Guard service---it all makes total sense now----but they lost--they lost----They KNEW this was coming and so they plotted----Someone send to Drudge!


359 posted on 10/13/2004 1:07:08 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: wildcatf4f3

Already did it.


360 posted on 10/13/2004 1:07:43 AM PDT by Blogger (Pray for President Bush and our nation!!!!! The Lord is our Hope and Strength!!!!!)
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