Posted on 10/12/2004 10:14:15 PM PDT by tazannie
I hope this is good
Looks like we'll just have to wait and see...
FOR THOSE WHO WANT A LITTLE COMIC RELIEF AMID THIS TENSION, VISIT THE MT. ST. HELENS THREAD
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1243421/posts
Well, that's gonna be a long-distance call then, isn't it?
...you tease...
;)
The film is said to show Kerry's cohorts burning and defacing American and South Vietnamese flags. Kerry isn't participating, but is said to be in the film doing nothing to protest or stop it. If it does exist, expect to see it in the next week.
There are some real good books about all the civil disorder during that time. The way the vets were treated by the anti-war crowd was really bad. A vet often hit US soil, changed into civilian clothing and never dared look back or talk about his service. It was that bad. Undeserved, for sure. Much of the anti-war movement was led by Communist influence. The VVAW was associated with the VVAWAI (anti-imperialists) who are still active today. Scott Camil, a friend of Kerry's from that time and someone who is currently helping him gather Vets for Kerry, is a member of VVAWAI. Bill Burkett and Scott Camil both signed a letter to the soldiers in Iraq trying to encourage them to refuse to serve. You can find it by googling up Call to Conscience. Conscientious objector stuff. It's all pretty ugly. It was then and it is now.
Coincidence? I think not... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1243421/posts
lol been there done that. I have waited since the JFKerry book by that supposed historian Brinkley for this moment....
Well, I don't know. I think the DU's panties are perpetually wadded up! :)
Let's hope so.
I need to read up on my recent history. I have always hated the way our vets were treated. I know some Vietnam vets and they are fine fine men. Being conservative, I've always been proud of their service. But where was I to get the true story. Not the Commie Press.
an omen.
I don't think Kerry was ever in the Selected Reserve(SELRES), which is the active reserve component of the armed forces. He was released from active duty to the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR), which is the so-called "inactive reserve", subject to recall to active duty upon order of the Secretary of the Navy (through the Secretary of Defense and the President).
He therefore never was required to attend any drill meetings, other than having to report once a year to his hometown reserve center for update of records and a cursory phyical exam. IRR members are given 50 dollars today for coming in on their assigned report day. Failure to show without good cause could have went down as a black mark, but it wouldn't have been enough to earn him a General discharge at fulfillment of his IRR obligation.
Again, an IRR member, while technically subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), is almost never recalled to active duty (which is a requirement to punish someone under the UCMJ) or selected reserve with active duty orders, in order to impose a punishment. Most of the time, if the member has committed a crime while on inactive reserve duty, any charges would have to proceed from the civilian criminal courts. No servicemember in the last 40 years or so has been recalled to active duty to be punished at court martial, unless it was proven that that servicemember committed a serious offense punishable at court martial while on active duty. Once the member "escapes" from the IRR, it's pretty much unheard of for DOD to be able to bring someone back in for punishment.
Usually, all evidence is gathered up and a referral is made to the former member's local district attorney's office for further review. As military bases are federal property, the cases usually end up in the federal court system for review by a U.S. Attorney.
A JAGMAN (Manual of the Judge Advocate General)investigation would also have had to take place, with an investigating officer delivering his or her findings to the requesting officer having jurisdication over that IRR member, and then a higher-authority officer (so-called "convening authority") deciding the course of outcome (non-judicial punishment, Court Martial, administrative separation etc.).
Thank you Keith. Very much appreciated. I'll hang up my shiny hat for now, but I don't feel any less like hurling-to-dry-heaves at the thought of what that disgusting clump of human cells has done to this great country, and to his fellow BRAVE AND HONORABLE men (and women) of the United States Military.
The truth WILL out. It always does. Sorry for my random thought about the whizzing thing, Keith.
LOL. I know. I was joking about the forgery.
"Have you read this:"
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
This appeared in the Village Voice, before Kerry sowed up the nomination. Isn't this rag very liberal, and exposing Kerry at that time would be to Dean's advantage?
True True
I'm not so new, but just as confused as to what this thread is supposed to be about.
Bump please.
Part of the problem with the war was it was being led from Washington and the military had their hands tied by politics. Plus, the war was never a declared war. Whenever the dems have their hands in a war you can bet your but it's going to be political.
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