** Kerry and the DNC Jihad on Catholics and Protestants **

Restore America - http://www.noDNC.com ^ | October 9, 2004

[woodb01]

For this first time that I can remember during this presidential campaign, John Kerry made one, and I repeat only one absolutely clear point --, he supports abortion. He supports it when it means puncturing a partially born baby's skull and cutting it to pieces to remove the nearly birthed baby. He supports criminally induced abortions forced upon a woman in a criminal act against her will--, without the criminal having to have any further consequences for killing a child in the womb that a woman *wants* to have. So much for "choice."

When asked if he would support abortions with US Taxpayer money, he dodged the direct question and went into an explanation about what the DNC campaign is really all about, appointing pro-abortion US Supreme Court justices. After Bush made it very clear that he does not support taxpayer funded abortion, and that he is opposed to "partial birth" abortion (the brutal practice of cutting partially born babies to pieces), Kerry sidestepped the issue again. Kerry didn't come out and say that he would take take taxpayer money, agains the will of the American people, to support abortion in the US and abroad, but his support for any kind of abortion was clear. Equally clear was his commitment to using US Taxpayer money to fund abortions.

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[woodb01]

The story of Kerry's position needs to be circulated to every person of faith in the country...

[Baulkin]

Personally I think they should take the entire clip of the debate question and awnser from both canidates and make it a campaign add. Dont edit it at all, he has damned himself with his own words.

[Erik Latranyi]

I disagree with the article. I clearly heard Kerry say that he thinks it would be wrong to deny poor women access to their "right".

That sounds like taxpayer funding for abortions to me!

[IllumiNaughtyByNature]

That felt like a great big lightning bolt hit the screen as sKerry was trying to extricate himself from that debacle. That had to hurt.

[Grendel9]

Admittedly, I'm no GYN/OBSTETRICIAN, but I have NEVER
understood the partial birth abortion tack about "a mother's life at stake." How in Hell could she go through the pain of the baby's head/shoulders passing through her womb/vaginal tract, then be free of danger once the baby's
head is punctured and the brains sucked? Am I too naive
here, or do the doctors have a technique I've missed out
on?

[Jaidyn]

He, in effect, told practising Catholics it's ok to go against their religion if they are in politics. He's making a bigger mess of the Church, just like he does wars.

[Tuscaloosa Goldfinch]

No. You're making absolute sense, and the pro-partial-birth abortion defenders are counting on that tendency in many Americans to second guess their own common sense when it comes to medical issues. (The doctor knows best syndrome.) AS someone pointed out on another thread, a Cesarean delivery would solve the whole (nonexistent) problem.

In addition, there's the very sly argument about the life of the mother -- which, is a loophole big enough to drive a tank through, because some courts have held that the life/health of the mother exception means "emotional health."

[LowCountryJoe]

One of the classic television shots of the night was a camera glance at that young woman who asked Kerry the "abortion question". It was worth at least 2 percentage points that might come from that "undecided" pro-lifer that's sitting on the fiscally-liberal fence.

[jmaroneps37]

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[Howlin]

If you don't mind, I am going to post an interview Peter Jennings did with John Kerry on this thread; the reason I am doing it is because I found it last night, bookmarked it, and today when I went back to get it, it's been pulled -- but I found it in my cache!

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****July 22, 2004 — Sen. John Kerry sat down for a wide-ranging interview with ABC News anchor Peter Jennings in Detroit today.

The presumptive Democratic presidential candidate discussed his views on abortion, sex and violence in the entertainment industry, and his upcoming acceptance speech at Democratic National Convention. The following are excerpts from the interview.

Peter Jennings: You told an Iowa newspaper recently that life begins at conception. What makes you think that?

Sen. Kerry: My personal belief about what happens in the fertilization process is a human being is first formed and created, and that's when life begins. Something begins to happen. There's a transformation. There's an evolution. Within weeks, you look and see the development of it, but that's not a person yet, and it's certainly not what somebody, in my judgment, ought to have the government of the United States intervening in.

Roe v. Wade has made it very clear what our standard is with respect to viability, what our standard is with respect to rights. I believe in the right to choose, not the government choosing, but an individual, and I defend that.

Jennings: Could you explain again to me what do you mean when you say "life begins at conception"?

Kerry: Well, that's what the Supreme Court has established is a test of viability as to whether or not you're permitted to terminate a pregnancy, and I support that. That is my test. And I, you know, you have all kinds of different evolutions of life, as we know, and very different beliefs about birth, the process of the development of a fetus. That's the standard that's been established in Roe v. Wade. And I adhere to that standard.

Jennings: If you believe that life begins at conception, is even a first-trimester abortion not murder?

Kerry: No, because it's not the form of life that takes personhood in the terms that we have judged it to be in the past. It's the beginning of life. Does life begin? Yes, it begins.

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You need to have proper knowledge about use of condoms to avoid AIDS. You need to be smart about these things. So what we need to do is have an honest dialogue and not succumb to the cynicism that sort of reduces these things to simplicity. It's not simple. It's a very complicated, highly emotional, very searing decision. I don't want the government making that decision for people, and that is a bedrock belief. But it doesn't change what I believe about how life goes on.


Hollywood and Violence

Jennings: They also say, of course, that you can know a man by his friends. President Bush says that you're kowtowing to Hollywood. And you described the people who were with you in Radio City Music Hall [at a fund-raiser] the other night as the heart and soul of America. Both President Clinton and Vice President [Al] Gore had called in their time on Hollywood for less violence and less sex. Do you feel a need to do the same thing?

Kerry: Yes, I think there should be less violence and less sex. And when I talked about the heart and soul, I'm talking about the artistic expression. I'm talking about sort of the, I mean, I believe in the arts. I think that there's a great expression in it, and there's always this struggle. You know, does life imitate art or art imitate life? Which comes first? It's a little of both.

I do think we have a responsibility, as leaders, to stand up. I think there were people at that, at that concert we had in New York who stepped over the line. I've said that. They don't speak for me. They speak for themselves. I will stand up and struggle, as others have, to try to get that right balance between violence, and sex, and things.

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[woodb01]

Can you get me those links to the cached pages?

There's nothing I'd like more than to have those images available... And my site doesn't violate copyright laws so there's nothing they can do about it...

Bill

SEE ---> http://www.noDNC.com

[Howlin]

This is what I bookmarked early this morning:

Peter Jennings interviews John Kerry And this is what I just Googled up:

ABCNEWS.com : Peter Jennings Interviews Sen. John Kerry
... July 22, 2004 — Sen. John Kerry sat down for a wide-ranging interview with
ABC News anchor Peter Jennings in Detroit today. Click Here. ...
abcnews.go.com/sections/ WNT/US/kerry_interview_040722-1.html - 36k - Oct 7, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

ABCNEWS.com : Peter Jennings Interviews Sen. John Kerry
... John Kerry Shares Thoughts on Abortion, Entertainment Industry, Biggest Speech of
His Life ... Jennings: They also say, of course, that you can know a man by his ...
abcnews.go.com/sections/ WNT/US/kerry_interview_040722-3.html - 37k - Cached - Similar pages
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Wood, there were a couple of articles on FR about Kerry and these abortion remarks.......I'm still looking for them......thought I had them bookmarked because the answers were so ridiculously contorted!

And I swear these articles were THERE sometime before 3 a.m. EDT this morning.....I read the entire thing!

[attiladhun2]

Partial birth abortion, i.e., infanticide, has almost no medical justification, except to harvest body parts.

[Howlin]

I'm going to post these links as I find them (re: Kerry and abortion and conception)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39729

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A27920-2004Jul4?language=printer

http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_4310.shtml

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/07/05/life_begins_at_conception_kerry_says/

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/kerry.html

http://www.rightwingnews.com/john/kerryabortion.php

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/terencejeffrey/tj20040707.shtml

[onyx]

You mean that interview is missing now?

[Howlin]

Yes, it is.

From ABC.

[TexasCajun]

Bush nailed is ass on this last night!

"It's really not complicated at all, Yes or No, Do you support a ban on Partial-Birth Abortion. My opponent voted NO!"

[Howlin]

This is what I bookmarked about 3 this morning:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/kerry_interview_040722.html

[Howlin]

GIBSON: Going to go to the final two questions now, and the first one will be for Senator Kerry. And this comes from Sarah Degenhart.

DEGENHART: Senator Kerry, suppose you are speaking with a voter who believed abortion is murder and the voter asked for reassurance that his or her tax dollars would not go to support abortion, what would you say to that person?

KERRY: I would say to that person exactly what I will say to you right now.

First of all, I cannot tell you how deeply I respect the belief about life and when it begins. I'm a Catholic, raised a Catholic. I was an altar boy. Religion has been a huge part of my life. It helped lead me through a war, leads me today.

But I can't take what is an article of faith for me and legislate it for someone who doesn't share that article of faith, whether they be agnostic, atheist, Jew, Protestant, whatever. I can't do that.

But I can counsel people. I can talk reasonably about life and about responsibility. I can talk to people, as my wife Teresa does, about making other choices, and about abstinence, and about all these other things that we ought to do as a responsible society.

But as a president, I have to represent all the people in the nation. And I have to make that judgment.

Now, I believe that you can take that position and not be pro- abortion, but you have to afford people their constitutional rights. And that means being smart about allowing people to be fully educated, to know what their options are in life, and making certain that you don't deny a poor person the right to be able to have whatever the constitution affords them if they can't afford it otherwise.

That's why I think it's important. That's why I think it's important for the United States, for instance, not to have this rigid ideological restriction on helping families around the world to be able to make a smart decision about family planning.

You'll help prevent AIDS.

You'll help prevent unwanted children, unwanted pregnancies.

You'll actually do a better job, I think, of passing on the moral responsibility that is expressed in your question. And I truly respect it.

GIBSON: Mr. President, minute and a half.

BUSH: I'm trying to decipher that.

My answer is, we're not going to spend taxpayers' money on abortion.

This is an issue that divides America, but certainly reasonable people can agree on how to reduce abortions in America.

I signed the partial-birth -- the ban on partial-birth abortion. It's a brutal practice. It's one way to help reduce abortions. My opponent voted against the ban.

I think there ought to be parental notification laws. He's against them.

I signed a bill called the Unborn Victims of Violence Act.

In other words, if you're a mom and you're pregnant and you get killed, the murderer gets tried for two cases, not just one. My opponent was against that.

These are reasonable ways to help promote a culture of life in America. I think it is a worthy goal in America to have every child protected by law and welcomed in life.

I also think we ought to continue to have good adoption law as an alternative to abortion.

And we need to promote maternity group homes, which my administration has done.

Culture of life is really important for a country to have if it's going to be a hospitable society.

Thank you.

GIBSON: Senator, do you want to follow up? Thirty seconds.

KERRY: Well, again, the president just said, categorically, my opponent is against this, my opponent is against that. You know, it's just not that simple. No, I'm not.

I'm against the partial-birth abortion, but you've got to have an exception for the life of the mother and the health of the mother under the strictest test of bodily injury to the mother.

Secondly, with respect to parental notification, I'm not going to require a 16-or 17-year-old kid who's been raped by her father and who's pregnant to have to notify her father. So you got to have a judicial intervention. And because they didn't have a judicial intervention where she could go somewhere and get help, I voted against it. It's never quite as simple as the president wants you to believe.

GIBSON: And 30 seconds, Mr. President.

BUSH: Well, it's pretty simple when they say: Are you for a ban on partial birth abortion? Yes or no?

And he was given a chance to vote, and he voted no. And that's just the way it is. That's a vote. It came right up. It's clear for everybody to see. And as I said: You can run but you can't hide the reality.

[Salvation]

Any Catholics who would vote for Kerry are not informed!