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Los Angeles Times Poll, like Newsweek Poll, Shows Whopping 1 Point Bounce for Kerry. Pop the Corks!
Los Angeles Times ^ | 10/03/2004 | Whitman

Posted on 10/03/2004 6:45:49 AM PDT by timbuck2

October 3, 2004 Sunday SECTION: MAIN NEWS; National Desk; Part A; Pg. 1 LENGTH: 1414 words HEADLINE: THE RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE; THE TIMES POLL; Viewers Give Round 1 to Kerry; Most who watched Thursday's debate say it added to the Democratic candidate's luster, but not at the expense of Bush's standing. BYLINE: Ronald Brownstein and Kathleen Hennessey, Times Staff Writers DATELINE: WASHINGTON

...These survey results reflect attitudes only among registered voters who watched the debate. Their views are more apt to change than the views among voters overall, many of whom did not watch the debate.

The poll, conducted Thursday night and Friday, surveyed 1,368 registered voters who participated in a Times survey last week and agreed to be contacted after the Sept. 30 debate. Among the group, 725 voters said they had watched the debate; it is their responses the poll reports. The poll, supervised by polling director Susan Pinkus, has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

The voters who watched the debate were slightly more favorable to Kerry than the overall electorate even before the encounter began, the poll showed.

For instance, in last week's Times poll, Kerry trailed Bush among all registered voters by 49% to 45%. But the voters who watched the matchup preferred Kerry by 48% to 47% for Bush before the debate. After the debate, viewers divided nearly the same way, with 49% favoring Kerry, 47% Bush.

That tracks with other post-debate polls showing improvements in Kerry's image but generally little immediate change in the race. The exception is a Newsweek poll conducted Thursday night through Saturday that showed Kerry leading Bush 49% to 46% among registered voters, with a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bias; bush; debate; firstdebate; kerry; kerrybounce; losangelestimes; media; poll; polls
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Another poll of REGISTERED VOTERS showing a mere 1 point bounce for Kerry post debate #1.

Why all the hysteria?

-T

1 posted on 10/03/2004 6:45:50 AM PDT by timbuck2
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To: timbuck2

Amazing that they are not giving us the LIKELY voters, isn't it?


2 posted on 10/03/2004 6:47:49 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: timbuck2

Because the bad guys now have the big mo.

Time to donate to the swift boat vets again.


3 posted on 10/03/2004 6:49:04 AM PDT by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: Salvation

Exactly. They are also not telling us that Kerry is in big trouble with women - moms in particular.


4 posted on 10/03/2004 6:49:07 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: timbuck2

'But the voters who watched the matchup preferred Kerry by 48% to 47% for Bush before the debate. '

seems to belie the headlines - 700+ pre-prejudiced poll-ees....


5 posted on 10/03/2004 6:49:19 AM PDT by bitt
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To: timbuck2
Wonder if the LA Times cooks its polls?

Publisher & Editor ^ | September 26, 2004: L.A. Times May Break Tradition, Make Choice for President

6 posted on 10/03/2004 6:49:57 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: timbuck2

all i know is just because PRINCE POPINJAY the SKERRYCROW didn't look down his long nose at people for the first time in his life doesn't mean he actually HAS A PLAN other than TRAINING people faster to get out of iraq....it is AMAZING to me that the dems' primary focus points are always based on HINDSIGHT.


7 posted on 10/03/2004 6:52:16 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: bitt

Bush has improved his "likeability" numbers by a point since the debate. sKerry went down by 1. Newsweek will do everything possible to try and persuade voters. Probably polled only non-english speaking French-Canandian registered Socialists.


8 posted on 10/03/2004 6:52:46 AM PDT by albie
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To: Max Combined

I don't think they really have mo. Bush's presentation of the Kerry Doctrine of a global test that persuades the world before preemption is acceptable is killing Kerry as we speak.


9 posted on 10/03/2004 6:54:30 AM PDT by rushmom
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To: Salvation

It boils down to this:

Before the debate registered voters in LA Times sample preferred Kerry by one point (48% to 47%) while after they preferred Kerry by two points (49% to 47%). This is the cause of euphoria on the left?

Question: How many of the registered voters in the sample will actually turn out to vote? Is it not true that only half of all registered voters bother to go to the polls on election day? What does this tell you about the validity of polls that rely on registered voters?

I predict Bush by an average of 5% among likely voters in Monday's polls.

-T


10 posted on 10/03/2004 6:55:12 AM PDT by timbuck2 ("The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts." -Edmund Burke)
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Hmmm... not much of a gain - and we've yet to see the impact of John F*ckin's "global test" gaffe reflected in the polls. Have faith, people. Its not over yet.


11 posted on 10/03/2004 6:56:49 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: timbuck2

Amazing ... MSN has a headline that reads "Kerry pulls even with Bush." I thought I was supposed to panic now.


12 posted on 10/03/2004 6:58:46 AM PDT by PLK
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To: rushmom

Is it just me or is the LA Times story deliberately confusing?? They keep reporting on Kerry's slight gain among people who watched the debate. But where is their overall poll of who people are going to vote for? That should be the bottom line and I don't see those numbers getting highlighted, if at all. Sounds as if they are trying to cover up something.

So glad FR is back. I was lost without it. ;-) Was it down for maintenance?


13 posted on 10/03/2004 6:59:16 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: timbuck2

LOL at the thread title.


14 posted on 10/03/2004 6:59:47 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: rushmom
I don't think they really have mo. Bush's presentation of the Kerry Doctrine of a global test that persuades the world before preemption is acceptable is killing Kerry as we speak.

In fact, didn't the Kerry camp come out with an ad right off the bat addressing this . . . If that's the case, they must be afraid about this and realize what a disaster this "global test" remark can become.

15 posted on 10/03/2004 7:00:29 AM PDT by gop_gene
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To: gop_gene

Don't forget the SNL skit of Campaign Kerry last night. It was funny as it was devastating. <imitating Kerry I aaaaaaaaam foragainst <fill in the blanks... (laughing)


16 posted on 10/03/2004 7:03:08 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: rushmom

I think they have mo, but it is up to us to wrestle it back from the rats. At least now we have no reason to be complacent.

There is no doubt in my mind that the President is right on the issues. We all have to make sure that the issues are well defined.

The Swift Boat Vets are the only ones who are willing to take of the gloves and tell the truth about Kerry.


17 posted on 10/03/2004 7:03:18 AM PDT by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: Max Combined
In the September 11th poll, Newsweek oversampled Republicans. In the last poll, Newsweek oversampled Democrats. Their intention was to show an artificial swing for Kerry right after the debate.

This is actually a good thing. Let the libs get overconfident again and let's light a fire under Republicans to win this thing. If you ask me, Republicans were getting a little too complacent the last couple of weeks.
18 posted on 10/03/2004 7:03:55 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: freeperfromnj

"They are also not telling us that Kerry is in big trouble with women - moms in particular."

Well, he was in big trouble with women. I hope he still is in trouble, but I am not so sure that Kerry is still in trouble with women.


19 posted on 10/03/2004 7:04:39 AM PDT by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: TNCMAXQ

"But where is their overall poll of who people are going to vote for?"

49% to 47% among registered voters. Before the debate the LA Times sample was 48% to 47%.

You're right, the most meaningful statistic is buried, but it is there.

-T


20 posted on 10/03/2004 7:04:41 AM PDT by timbuck2 ("The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts." -Edmund Burke)
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