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Need help on Kerry's claim in the debate over the Cuban Missile Crisis

Posted on 10/01/2004 5:55:38 PM PDT by Sir_Humphrey

Kerry claimed that during the Cuban Missile Crisis, de Gaulle said he didn't need to see photos of Soviet missiles in Cuba because the word of the US President (Kennedy) was "good enough" for him.

I realize his point was that goodwill between nations is a valuable thing, but does anybody know if this is actually true? I have studied the missile crisis ad nauseum in HS and college and don't recall this ever being written about. I tried a google search and found nothing to substantiate this claim. Is this another Kerry lie or can somebody point me to research that says it actually happened. I want to discuss this in my class on Monday (I teach 7th graders) but unlike my fellow teachers, I like to check my facts first.

As is always the case, thanks in advance for your guidence and help. You all are one of the best resources a rookie teacher can have.


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1 posted on 10/01/2004 5:55:39 PM PDT by Sir_Humphrey
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To: Sir_Humphrey

Hugh Hewitt.com shreds this historical revisionism..


2 posted on 10/01/2004 5:59:27 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Sir_Humphrey
Go to: www.hughhewitt.com

He talked about it today and the history is on his web site.

3 posted on 10/01/2004 5:59:29 PM PDT by notaliberal
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To: Sir_Humphrey

When I heard skerry mention JFK and the Cuban
Missile thing, I figured teddy kennedy told
him to toss it in where he could. And he did.


4 posted on 10/01/2004 6:01:40 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: Sir_Humphrey
Joseph Biden has been using the DeGaulle angle for at least a year. He used it in his speech to the DNC this summer. I like this retort to it in the National Review

Biden went on to recall a Dean Acheson meeting with General DeGaulle. The senator's message: If you can't gain the approval of the French president, you're disqualified.

5 posted on 10/01/2004 6:01:43 PM PDT by Shermy
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From: Hughhewitt.com

First, Kennedy sent Dean Acheson, not Dean Rusk to see DeGaulle. Acheson was a former Secretary of State, Rusk the then sitting Secretary of State.

Second, that's not what DeGualle said to Acheson. Here's an account of the Acheson-DeGaulle meeting and briefing. One source, almost certainly Acheson, reported DeGualle's comment to have been "A great government such as yours does not act without evidence." And DeGualle, no matter what he said, sat through the briefing in which the evidence was displayed for him.

Finally, and most important, the Cuban Missile Crisis, from start to finish, was all about preemptive action, and had nothing to do with passing "global tests." Kennedy never sought the approval of any ally much less the United nations. The U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Adlai Steveson, made a presentation to the U.N. on October 25, 1962, three days after the blockade had been imposed.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:qX5QyfuoHvQJ:www.cia.gov/csi/books/shermankent/10cuban.html+cuban+missile+crisis+de+gaulle+and+rusk&hl=en


6 posted on 10/01/2004 6:03:37 PM PDT by TemplarAkolyte
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I can't think of why we even consulted with de Gaulle before Adlai Stevenson laid all the pictures out in the dramatic display in front of the UN.
7 posted on 10/01/2004 6:04:31 PM PDT by wattsup ("It's best to stay silent and be thought of as a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.." ..Abe L.)
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To: Sir_Humphrey
And when French and Russian intelligence assured President Bush that there were indeed weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, he undoubtedly took them at their word, too. After all, why would Saddam's own allies and business partners lie about such a thing?
8 posted on 10/01/2004 6:07:28 PM PDT by Argus
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Kerry's claim is garbage: http://tinyurl.com/4gbr2


9 posted on 10/01/2004 6:07:49 PM PDT by fhlime
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To: Sir_Humphrey

Some of Kerry's answers like this one made me wonder if he got the talking points ahead of time from Lehrer!


10 posted on 10/01/2004 6:10:35 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Sir_Humphrey
Kerry Gaffes/Mistakes/Lies in the Debate Tonight.....How Many?

Additional Kerry gaffes and GOP clarifications:

Debate Facts.com

11 posted on 10/01/2004 6:11:36 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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BTW, one difference with Cuba is France did not have oil exploration contracts with Castro, and there was no Food for Oil scheme.

Have some fun tracing the DeGaulle story. I found a Biden reference back in 2003! (Before his trip to meet Chirac)

Biden, Oct. 28, 2003

And finally, beyond our borders, we squandered the opportunity to build an effective national security strategy to meet new threats without alienating the rest of the world. I love that story that I've heard before ... and I understand to be true ... about DeGaulle saying I need not see the evidence.
Biden, July 29, 2004

Forty years ago, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, President Kennedy sent former Secretary of State Dean Acheson to Europe to seek support. Acheson explained the situation to French President de Gaulle. Then, he offered to show classified intelligence information as proof. De Gaulle said, "That's not necessary. I know President Kennedy. I know he would never mislead me on a question of war and peace." Would a single foreign leader react the same way today?
Kerry, Sept. 20, 2004

In the dark days of the Cuban Missile Crisis, President Kennedy sent former Secretary of State Dean Acheson to Europe to build support. Acheson explained the situation to French President de Gaulle. Then he offered to show him highly classified satellite photos, as proof. De Gaulle waved the photos away, saying: “The word of the President of the United States is good enough for me.”

12 posted on 10/01/2004 6:13:59 PM PDT by Shermy
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Jeezus, Kerry is such a fraud he practically quoted Biden verbatim.


13 posted on 10/01/2004 6:27:52 PM PDT by craig_eddy
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kerry and biden? They lie right to our faces every freaking day. Right in our faces! Just like the swimmer kennedy. They have no decency, no morals, no consciences! They should all be booted out of the senate on their lying asses by the rest of the senators...oh, wait, most of them are liars too...nevermind.

FMCDH(BITS)

I have updated my FMCDH (From My Cold Dead Hands) sign-off with the addition of (BITS).....Blood In The Streets, which I foresee coming soon, due to the enormous increase of the Marxist progressive movement being shoved down the throat of this failing REPUBLIC through the Judicial tyranny of fiat law, the passing of unconstitutional laws by the Legislative and Executive branches of our government and the enormous tax burden placed upon the average American to support unconstitutional programs put forth by Marxist ideology. FMCDH(BITS)

14 posted on 10/01/2004 6:28:20 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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It was a great line even if untrue. However, even if it was true it was irrevelant to Iraq. France saw photographs of evidence that Colin Powell presented to the U.N. Made no difference. It wasn't that France distrusted Bush or the evidence. No matter what they wouldn't have gone in because they were too heavily invested in Saddam. Bush should have pointed all that out.


15 posted on 10/01/2004 6:29:55 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: craig_eddy

Back in December 2003 remember Kerry talking about meeting with World leaders and a "friend" who visited Chirac? That was Biden, we later learned. he has a "45 minute private discussion" with Chirac.


16 posted on 10/01/2004 6:40:53 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Salvation

You think? Who in the world would do that? /sarc.


17 posted on 10/01/2004 6:52:31 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch)
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To: plain talk

Pointing it out, on Bush's part, wouldn't have made any difference. In my heart I do not think anyone's mind has been changed.

Anyone who thinks France was going to support us on Iraq should have his head examined. They stood to lose too much money, and some of that was undoubtedly UN money, now being 'investigated.' The whole thing stinks. France is the Wizard of Oz, the proverbial man behind the curtain. In face, France is the New Sick Man of Europe, as the Ottoman Turks were of old.


18 posted on 10/01/2004 6:57:18 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch)
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To: Sir_Humphrey
http://www.cia.gov/csi/books/shermankent/10cuban.html
19 posted on 10/01/2004 7:29:18 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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I shouldn't have clicked on your link before posting mine. With all the search criteria in your link, I didn't recognize it was going to the same place.


20 posted on 10/01/2004 7:30:43 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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