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I won't be intimidated for expressing my views (Muslims outraged by 'insulting' film...)
EXPATICA ^ | 9/26/04 | Abi Daruvalla

Posted on 09/26/2004 11:10:13 PM PDT by ppaul

I won't be intimidated for expressing my views

People who object to her criticism of Islam should take her to court rather than take the law into their own hands, Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali tells Abi Daruvalla.

Hirsi Ali has been moved to a safe house following new death threats and the publication of her private address on an Islamic website just four days after her controversial film 'Submission' was screened on Dutch TV.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was always irritated at the lack of freedom under Islam
Somali-born Hirsi Ali, 34, is herself a former Muslim and an outspoken critic of Islam's treatment of women. Her film 'Submission' which depicts the text of the Koran on the naked flesh of Muslim women, is provoking a furore in the Netherlands.

With the assassination of right-wing political leader Pim Fortuyn in May 2002 still horribly fresh in people’s minds, the Dutch security services are clearly taking no chances and have mounted round-the-clock protection.

But Hirsi Ali is undaunted: "Reactions to my film have been varied and I accept some people are offended, that's legitimate, but in a democracy it is not legitimate to intimidate and threaten someone for expressing her views. I made the film to publicise an injustice that is being ignored not only in Holland but throughout the world."

Hirsi Ali reflects the spirit of today's Dutch society with her conviction that 'tolerance' means Muslims in the Netherlands – almost one million in a total population of 16 million – must accept Western values.

"That means people from non-Western countries need to be educated about democratic values which include the freedom of expression," said Hirsi Ali. If people feel she has gone too far with her film they must take her to court and not take the law into their own hands, she said defiantly. "Otherwise the rule of the jungle will prevail," she added.

Veteran Dutch feminist Cisca Dresselhuys
In 2002, Hirsi Ali left the country and went into hiding in the US for a few weeks following death threats after she accused Islam of being a "backward religion". It was not the first time Hirsi Ali has had to flee persecution. The daughter of a leading Somali opposition leader, she was forced into exile when she was just 10 and was brought up in Kenya.

Even as a child, Hirsi Ali said she had trouble in submitting her will to Allah and her irritation at the lack of freedom imposed on her by her religion became stronger as the years past and she became integrated into Dutch society (she sought refuge in Holland in 1991 to avoid an arranged marriage). "I wanted to be part of Dutch society, to be financially independent, take off my headscarf and drink alcohol." She finally gave up her faith two years ago.

Hirsi Ali constantly seeks confrontation with her outspoken views against Islam and has written two books on its harsh treatment of women: The Son Factory in 2003, and The Virgin Cage, which was published at the end of August (both in Dutch).

An actress reveals the naked truth of domestic violence in 'Submission'
'Submission' is written and narrated in English by Hirsi Ali. The 11-minute film takes the form of four monologues by women praying to Allah: one has been whipped for having an illicit love affair; another faces an arranged marriage to a man she finds sexually repulsive, a third was beaten by her husband and the last is pregnant after being raped by her uncle. Their injuries are clearly visible through their transparent chador.

Hirsi Ali claims more than 60 percent of those fleeing domestic violence in Dutch women’s shelters are Muslim. But Muslim organisations say 'Submission' contributes nothing towards a solution.

Canan Ujar of the women’s federation of Holland's biggest Muslim organisation, Milli Görüs: "This film is worthless and the nudity unnecessary. Emancipation has to come from within the Muslim community itself and we are already working on this by encouraging women to talk about domestic violence, organizing workshops to educate women on their rights and teaching them how to handle threatening situations."

To others, the film resembles more an 'erotic' art film than a political statement. Cisca Dresselhuys, Holland’s veteran feminist, concedes that the carefully choreographed scenes conjure up erotic associations for her but said this doesn't detract her from the central message of the film: "It is a very beautiful, poetic film but it is shocking. I don’t think it would have been any stronger by making it full of blood and gore."
 

Hirsi Ali said the actresses are nude – she insisted that pubic hair and nipples were not visible – because she wants to show the "naked truth" that domestic violence committed against Muslim women is condoned by the Koran.

The film also has supporters among Muslim women. Fadoua Bouali, a 33-year-old nurse in Amsterdam who has lived in Holland since she was seven, said she and many other Moroccan women are grateful that she is giving them a voice. "The conversations the women [in the film] have with God touched me as a Muslim woman enormously because they symbolize 'real' prayers." The fact that the women are naked does not disturb Bouali.

Hirsi Ali says her aim is to reach out to Muslim women who live in fear so that they could see themselves reflected in the film and find the strength to break out of their situation. She also wants to provoke western liberals into taking a stand against violence against Muslim women: "People don’t want to insult other cultures, but they should not close their eyes to the violence."



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With so many innocents losing their heads, this is one brave gal indeed.
If the Dutch don't wake up, they'll be overrun by jihadis, just like France and Britain.
1 posted on 09/26/2004 11:10:13 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul

To be fair, her style seems to lack taste. She could convey her message (and reach more people) in a way that will engage more people and alienate less people.

I am sypathetic to her message, but not enamored by her tactics.

In any event, I sure hope some clown doesn't kill her.


2 posted on 09/26/2004 11:12:27 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: ppaul
Muhammad was a Pig
3 posted on 09/26/2004 11:13:22 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: ppaul

" Somali-born Hirsi Ali, 34, is herself a former Muslim and an outspoken critic of Islam's treatment of women. "

This is all the effect of the recent hijacking of a peaceful religion, or so I've read. LOL


4 posted on 09/26/2004 11:14:07 PM PDT by Fatalis
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To: knighthawk; ppaul

Ping


5 posted on 09/26/2004 11:15:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ppaul
Hirsi Ali has been moved to a safe house following new death threats and the publication of her private address on an Islamic website just four days after her controversial film 'Submission' was screened on Dutch TV.

And for those unfamiliar with the title, the very word 'Islam' means 'Submission.'

Naturally, I'll be waiting for the Leftists to condemn the "religion of peace" for the threats against this woman. (I'll also be waiting for snowballs in Hell.)

6 posted on 09/26/2004 11:17:15 PM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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To: HitmanNY
To be fair, her style seems to lack taste. She could convey her message (and reach more people) in a way that will engage more people and alienate less people.

How so?
I think her printing the words of the Koran on women's flesh makes for powerful imagery, don't you?
And, apparently, she's got the Mohammedans in an uproar.
In the US, you can print the murderous words of the Koran on paper, and people just shrug - they do not connect the acts of violence with the "peaceful" religion.
This gal seems to be stirring up the pot abit and making the truth plain for all to see.
How do you think she could do better?

7 posted on 09/26/2004 11:18:22 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
btt



8 posted on 09/26/2004 11:20:40 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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To: ppaul

I agree. People who chop off innocent heads get zero sympathy from me. They can go back on their camels into the Stone Age.


9 posted on 09/26/2004 11:20:57 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ppaul

It's derivative. Kafka already did it in a story.


10 posted on 09/26/2004 11:21:58 PM PDT by durasell
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To: HitmanNY
To be fair, her style seems to lack taste.

Perhaps. Maybe she should just decapitate people to get her point across instead.

Considering the obscene brutality of the Islamofascists, this woman could put verses from the Quran on pasties and it'd still be morally superior to the abominations committed by the followers of the death cult and its false god.

She could convey her message (and reach more people) in a way that will engage more people and alienate less people.

Bah. Anyone who isn't offended by videotaped beheadings but gets wound up over the Quran written on a woman's torso is beyond reach already.

11 posted on 09/26/2004 11:21:59 PM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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If the Dutch don't wake up, they'll be overrun by jihadis, just like France and Britain.

Err.. Paul have you been to France/the UK lately? Neither is really over-run by Jihadis -- in France, only Paris and Marseilles have a substantial Slammie population and many are agnostic, but they DO have a problem that will grow.

In the UK, due to the Brits freedom of speech, you have a number of vocal slammies. Also the govt here in the UK seems to mix up racism with "I don't want to be killed by jihadis"-ism. Namely that when the mooslimes say it is racist to ban their looonie clerics, the govt bends over backwards to stop it.

And this is while the govt forgets that it is NOT racism. Tell me why, in the UK, they have Hindu and Christian and Sikh INdians who do pretty well, don't cause any troubles or riots and have a practically non-existent prison population while the slammmies have a huge prison population, cause all the "race" riots and troubles and are generally the poorest members of society?

aNd these slammies come from the same ethnicities as the Indians or are white (Turks, Bosnians etc.). It's NOT a race thing, rather slam corrupts all and is blind to race/ethnicity.
12 posted on 09/26/2004 11:25:11 PM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: ppaul

I don't have a suggestion as I am not a filmmaker, but I will say as a general principle of persuasion, it's usually unwise to alienate or anger people you should be trying to convince.

Powerful imagery or not, it's hard to see how many people she will convince. The challenge isn't to concoct powerful imagery alone - actually, that's relatively easy and any blockhead could come up with something that another blockhead will call 'powerful.' "Powerful" alone doesn't do the job, that is, bring these fine folks into the 21st century.

You don't conivince people very well when you anger and alienate them. Since she is knowingly angering and alienating people, I question the use of that tactic to impact and create positive change.

But what do I know?


13 posted on 09/26/2004 11:26:09 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Prime Choice

I'm sorry, but the choice isn't between decapitating people and emplying the style she has chosen. Increating a false choice, you needlessly limit your thinking. No one even remotely suggested that, so it's strange that your thinking would take you in that direction.

You hit that note twice in just a few lines. That's on odd fixation, considering nobody suggested that. I suggest you take up shadowboxing (you seem to have the tools to excel at that).


14 posted on 09/26/2004 11:29:05 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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This woman has more stones than the other 6 billion + muslims on this planet... bless her soul.


15 posted on 09/26/2004 11:29:05 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: HitmanNY

Agreed. I hope I get a chance to see her film.


16 posted on 09/26/2004 11:29:10 PM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: ppaul
Yikes!

Doesn't look too plot-driven. I'd encourage everyone to rent or buy the brilliant winner of Best Foreign Film, "Osama" (it has nothing to do with bin Laden). It will make you want to hug and kiss every American soldier you see even more than you do already.

17 posted on 09/26/2004 11:32:28 PM PDT by Deb (A Democrat Stole My GREEN Sweater!!!)
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To: Deb

Let me offer a theory -- the film wasn't made for Muslims, its intended audience is Western women. And its intent is to shock and horrify them.

I would wager that she feels the need to go over the top because she is well aware of the West's -- paticular Americans' -- tolerance for religion and religious freedom. The idea of a violently repressive religion is simply not in most Americans' emotional lexicon.


18 posted on 09/26/2004 11:39:02 PM PDT by durasell
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To: HitmanNY
"Powerful" alone doesn't do the job, that is, bring these fine folks into the 21st century.

I do not believe she is necessarily trying to convince the adherents of the 7th century false religion to change. What she is attempting to do is alert the 21st Century Dutch that their nation is in danger of being destroyed by a menace that subjugates and degrades women, and shock them out of their open-minded complacency and foolish "tolerance" to act before it is too late and they suffer their own "9/11."

19 posted on 09/26/2004 11:40:53 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
I admire her. Islam is a backwards and misogynistic religion. They treat women like camels. These are true violations of women's rights, not the imagined (according to NOW, NARAL, and the like) ones going on over here. Leftist feminists over here should take this up as their cause, instead of the abortion racket.
20 posted on 09/26/2004 11:41:10 PM PDT by visualize-no-libs (Kerry lied while good men died..)
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