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POSSIBLE SCOOP: Is John Kerry running an ad featuring lying convicted felon?

Posted on 09/24/2004 3:42:18 PM PDT by Aleph

I'm going to give you all the information I have and hopefully people here can narrow this down and verify it.

I was just listening to the Chris Baker show on 950 KPRC and a woman called in response to another caller who implied George Bush wasn't being honest with people about his record.

Her response was that it's John Kerry who's trying to mislead people, because he's running an ad in battleground states featuring a man who claims he voted for George Bush in 2000 but will be voting for John Kerry this year.

The host asked her why she considered that misleading.

Her answer?

The man in the commerical is a MEMBER OF HER FAMILY and is actually a CONVICTED FELON and who was INELIGIBLE to vote in 2000 and will STILL BE INELIGIBLE this year!

Is it possible John Kerry really has an ad featuring an endorsement from a felon stating his intent to ILLEGALLY vote for John Kerry?

That's all I know, unfortunately. And I don't have time to chase this down and verify it. If anyone else here knows of the ad, and knows if it's one of the ads on his site, it'd be a hell of a scandal if it's true. It's possible the man's name is in the ad.

Wish I had more, but it's a start.


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To: jazztrptman

This i very possible, but also a possible trap. The Kerry campaign and the DNC are trying to make an issue of the disenfranchised BLACK felon voters. These are the disenfranchised Black voters that Kerry was referring to in his speech to that Black group last week, not Florida voters.

So, be very careful how this is approached, you don't want to give the Kerry campaign free advertising for this issue.


21 posted on 09/24/2004 4:00:39 PM PDT by Eva
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To: jazztrptman

It takes a while to understand the culture, but if you ever have any questions, click on someones name to find out their sign-up date and private message them for advise.
Someone did that for me my first week, and even though I forget his name, I will never forget how kind he was to me.


22 posted on 09/24/2004 4:01:41 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: areafiftyone

All she said was that the gist of the ad was that it featured her family member saying he voted for George Bush in 2000 but because of XYZ he's voting for John Kerry in this election.

And as for whether it was Kerry or Moveon - she said Kerry was running the ad. But it's possible she wouldn't draw a distinction between the two.

There can't be that many ads running with the "I voted for GW in 2000 but I'm voting for John Kerry in 2004." theme running.

I posted hoping someone who lives in more of a battleground state where ads are running might recognize it. Being in Texas, I don't really get to see many ads because neither campaign bothers to spend much money here.


23 posted on 09/24/2004 4:02:05 PM PDT by Aleph
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To: jazztrptman

"I agree - it will only take chasing one false lead for Freepers to be discounted in the MSM."

I don't know about that. Chasing leads false or otherwise is what it is all about. What we pronounce as truth after investigating a lead is what's important. It's no crime to come back and say the lead was bogus or a non-issue. Freepers should worry about investing time in leads that don't have at least a chance of panning out. We don't need to be "rope a doped."


24 posted on 09/24/2004 4:04:39 PM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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To: Aleph

Its wierd I live in NYC and I haven't seen that many Kerry ads, I see more Bush ads. I guess I should count my blessings!


25 posted on 09/24/2004 4:05:58 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: Aleph

Have you ever read "The Mystery of the Aleph" by Amir Aczel?


26 posted on 09/24/2004 4:06:53 PM PDT by Flightdeck (Gravity and EM are the same thing. I said it here first.)
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To: need_a_screen_name

I couldn't agree more - I guess what I meant was - spending lots of time chasing a lead - hmmm - wanting to believe it's true? (Sound like anyone we know? **smile**) I do have great faith in Freepers - they want the truth - not their illusion of truth - but the real deal.

Thanks for the insight!


27 posted on 09/24/2004 4:08:30 PM PDT by jazztrptman
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To: Aleph

I am in Chicago, the only one I saw like this had a guy in uniform, couldn't be him.


28 posted on 09/24/2004 4:09:22 PM PDT by longfellow (You're either with US or from Hollywood! Ultimateamerican.com)
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To: areafiftyone

I live in Cali and I've hardly seen any ads, Bush or Kerry, except when the news shows preview them.


29 posted on 09/24/2004 4:10:44 PM PDT by pbear8 (Dan and Martha, in jail together)
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To: Dog

"Everyone be careful.....there are people out to make this site look bad....so before you chase your tails hunting down something that may not even be true.......think first."

I completely agree- there are many people who will eagerly attempt to dis-credit us by various means- and we must always remember COMMON SENSE. On another thread this morning there was a great deal of investigating done about whether Kerry was at the signing of the peace agreement with Iraq after the Gulf war in '91. Two things struck me- first- how so many of us jumped on the story as fact before we'd really checked on it- and two- at the same time- how many were working hard at digging up the facts on the story- without prejudice. This is what we accuse (and rightfully so!!) the MSM of doing- so it behooves us all to be thorough and thoughtful before flinging accusations around. After all- the truth is our goal.

That being said- it would seem a call to the radio station might be a place to start- is it possible to ask for a transcript of the call? If this story is true it would be yet another stunning example of the ends justify the means mentality pervasive in the liberal camp.


30 posted on 09/24/2004 4:12:03 PM PDT by SE Mom
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To: mabelkitty

If you don't want to believe it, don't. But I'm sure there are other people here from Houston area who listen to the show that can confirm the call. It happened in the 4:30-5:00 range and the host actually put her on hold to get more information.

As for the Dems pushing the disenfranchisement card, they mostly do that with respect to blacks in order to scare them into voting Democrat. This woman sounded white to me.


31 posted on 09/24/2004 4:12:46 PM PDT by Aleph
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To: Aleph

That's fine.
However, if Freepers don't jump through hoops for your crusade, don't mistake on the intent - we are a target.
Welcome to Free Republic.


32 posted on 09/24/2004 4:15:13 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: jazztrptman

"And I don't have time to chase this down and verify it."

quoted from the original post......

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Freepers should verify it for the original poster? Just wondering aloud.

Lots of new folks. Who knows agendas they may have. Not to insinuate of this new one. Nor you.

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Post at the top of "breaking news" by new folks is suspect by many.


33 posted on 09/24/2004 4:15:21 PM PDT by JLO
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To: Aleph

It sounds too good to be true, but accurate. Dan Rather would run with it (if it were Bush's ad). We should first verify, then run with it.


34 posted on 09/24/2004 4:15:29 PM PDT by LikeLight (__________________________)
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To: QQQQQ

e-mail the info to RNC, maybe they can look into it. Looks like someone should be able to check with the radio host, he should still have the tape of the conversation.




Thank you, I will. I had hoped to nail this down a little better and be able to provide maybe a name or a link to the commercial before I tried contacting them, but maybe they can do it instead.


35 posted on 09/24/2004 4:16:06 PM PDT by Aleph
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To: pbear8

I see them mostly in the morning during Fox and Friends. Otherwise I don't see them at night.


36 posted on 09/24/2004 4:17:40 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: Aleph

If it can't be vetted with a source and facts, leave it be.


37 posted on 09/24/2004 4:18:05 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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Anyone remember the Saturday Night Live parody ad for dukakis... "Willie Horton...Horton..Horton..."


38 posted on 09/24/2004 4:19:07 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: yarddog

"Anything is possible but I can't imagine them being this dumb."

That's a joke, right?


39 posted on 09/24/2004 4:20:19 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: Aleph
link to website

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40 posted on 09/24/2004 4:25:56 PM PDT by terilyn
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