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FReeper Canteen ~ Part XI of War in Ancient India ~ September 21, 2004
A Tribute to Hinduism ^ | LaDivaLoca

Posted on 09/20/2004 7:59:05 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

 
 
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ANCIENT WARFARE





Part XI: War in Ancient India

 
Accounts of Foreign Travelers to India

Coming to later times we have the account of Hiuen Tsang who notices a fleet of 3,000 sail belonging to the King os Assam. There is inscriptional evidence of the possession of a fleet under the Kakatiyas and the Cholas in South india. Marco Polo testifies to the huge size and efficient construction of Indian vessels while Yule in his Cathey refers to Rajput ships en route to China. Marco Polo, a famous Venetian traveler who visited India in 13th Century also visited Thane Port. The first chapter of his book which deals with India is almost devoted to shipbuilding industry in India. Friar Odoric of Pordenone, an Italian Monk who visited India in 14th Century, in his account of his voyage across the Indian Ocean, a mention is made of ships which can carry 700 people.

"Ships of size that carried Fahien from India to China (through stormy China water) were certainly capable of proceeding all the way to Mexico and Peru by crossing the Pacific. One thousand years before the birth of Columbus Indian ships were far superior to any made in Europe upto the 18th century."

(source: The Civilizations of Ancient America: The Selected Papers of the XXIXth International Congress of Americanists  - edited Sol Tax 1951).

Ludovico di Varthema (1503 A. D) saw vessels of 1,000 tons burden built at Masulipatnam. According to Dr. Vincent, India built great sized vessels from the time of Agathareids (171 B.C.) to the 16th century. And no wonder the Portuguese, when they first landed at the west coast, were carried away by the excellent Indian vessels. Later still, the Vijayanagar Empire, which had as many as 300 ports, had a powerful fleet. The naval commander was styled Naviyadaprabhu.

India has a coastline of about 6300 kms. Extensive new archaeological, epigraphical, sculptural and literary material has been added to our knowledge since the early decades of this century. Dr. Radha Kumud Mookerji's Book Indian Shipping - A History of the Sea-Borne Trade and Marine Activity of The Indians From The Earliest Times published in 1912 Orient Longmans ISBN 8121509165) is the most comprehensive study of Indian Navigation up to that period. We now know that many ports on both Eastern and Western Coast had navigational and trade links with almost all Continents of the world. There are many natural and technological reasons for this. Apart from Mathematics and Astronomy, India had excellent manufacturing skills in textile, metal works and paints. India had abundant supply of Timber. Indian - built ships were superior as they were built of Teak which resists the effect of salt water and weather for a very long time. 

"The art of Navigation was born in river Sindhu 6000 years ago. The very word navigation is derived from Sanskrit word Nav (or Nav-ship) Gatih."

Lieut. Col. A Walker's
paper: "Considerations of the affairs of India" written in 1811 had excellent remarks on Bombay-built ships. He notes, "situated as
she is between the forests of Malabar and Gujarat, she receives supplies of timber with every wind that blows." Further he says, "it is calculated that every ship in the Navy of Great Britain is renewed every twelve years. It is well known that teakwood built ships last fifty years and upwards. Many ships Bombay-built after running fourteen or fifteen years have been brought into the Navy and were considered as stronger as ever. The Sir Edward Hughes performed, I believe, eight voyages as an Indiaman before she was purchased for the Navy. No Europe-built Indiaman is capable of going more than six voyages with safety."

He has also further noted that Bombay-built ships are at least one-fourth cheaper than those built in the docks of England. Francois Balazar Solvyns, a Belgian/Flemish maritime painter, wrote a book titled Les Hindous in 1811. 

His remarks are, "In ancient times, the Indians excelled in the art of constructing vessels, and the present Hindus can in this respect still offer models to Europe-so much so that the English, attentive to everything which relates to naval architecture, have borrowed from the Hindus many improvement which they have adopted with success to their own shipping.... The Indian vessels unite elegance and utility and are models of patience and fine workmanship." 

(source: http://www.orientalthane.com/speeches/speech_2.htm).

Surprisingly, many earlier western traders and travelers have expressed the same views. Madapollum was a flourishing shipping centre. Thomas Bowrey, an English traveler who visited India during 1669-79, observes, " many English merchants and others have their ships and vessels yearly built (at Madapollum). Here is the best and well grown timber in sufficient plenty, the best iron upon the coast, any sort of ironwork is ingeniously performed by the natives, as spikes, bolts, anchors, and the like. Very expert master-builders there are several here, they build very well, and launch with as much discretion as I have seen in any part of the world. They have an excellent way of making shrouds, stays, or any other rigging for ships".

A Venetian traveler of 16th Century Cesare de Fedrici, while commenting on the East Coast of India has noted that there is an abundance of material for ship building in this area and many Sultans of Constantinople found it cheaper to have their vessels built in India than at Alexandria. 

Nicol Conti who visited India in 15th century was impressed by the quality Indians had achieved in ship building. He observes:

"The nations of India build some ships larger than ours, capable of containing 2,000 butts, and with five sails and as many masts. The lower part is constructed with triple planks, in order to withstand the force of the tempests to which they are much exposed. But some ships are so built in compartments that should one part be shattered, the other portion remaining entire may accomplish the voyage."

J. Ovington, Chaplain to the British King, the seventeenth-century English traveler, who visited Surat, wrote a book  A Voyage to Surat in the Year 1689. He was impressed by the skill of the Indians in ship-building and found that they even outshone Europeans. The timber used by the Indians was so strong that it would not ‘crack’ even by the force of a bullet so he urged the English to use that timber ‘to help them in war’. Indian Teak stood firmer than the English Oak, remarked Ovington. 

Thomas Herbert, a traveler who visited Surat in 1627, has given an interesting account of the arrival, loading and unloading of ships through small boats at Swally marine (Sohaly), a few kilometres away from Surat. He remarked that between September and March every year, the port of Sohaly presented a very busy and noisy scene for there came many ships from foreign lands. The merchants (baniyas) erected their straw huts in large numbers all along the sea coast, making the whole place thus look like a country fair. The merchants sold various commodities like calicoes, ivory, agates, etc. Many small boys engaged by the merchants were seen running about doing odd jobs. The English found that the small boats used and constructed by the natives could be of immense use. This was a definite gain for both nations. Boats and rafts were used as a means of conveyance for loading and unloading ships. There were about 4200 big and 4400 small boats. There were large-sized boats that could carry even elephants. The boats used by kings and nobles were designed to look artistic. Abul Fazl writes about the "wonderfully fashioned boats with delightful quarters and decks and gardens" 

 

Among the primitive Indian boats, the cattarmaran comes first. It consisted of three logs and three spreaders and cross lashings. The centre log was the largest, and pointed towards one end. Mainly fishermen used the cattarmaran for fishing. A little more skillfully made is the musoola boat, which has no iron fastening. It was mostly used in the Coromandel coast. Dr John Fryer says, "It is possible that the name musoola may be connected with Masulipatarn where boats seem to have been in use".

Another boat made in an indigenous manner was known as dingy. It was hollowed out from a single trunk. Lower down the Ganga, the name was applied to boats half-decked, half wagon-roofed and built of planks.

Purqoo was another type of boat described by Thomas Bowery. It plied between the Hooghly and Balasore. These boats were made very strong to carry ‘sufficient load’. They were also used for loading ships. they could remain in water for a long time without getting damaged. As compared to the purqoo, boora was a ‘lighter boat’ which rowed with 29 or 30 oars. These boats were also used for carrying saltpeter and other commodities.

(source:
Coastal trade flourished with Europeans - By Pramod Sangar).

Sir John Malcolm writes"

"Indian vessels are so admirably adapted to the purpose for which they are required that, notwithstanding their superior science, Europeans were unable, during an intercourse with India for two centuries, to suggest or to bring into successful practice one improvement."

(source: Journal of Royal Asiatic Society, Vol. I). 

In the middle of the 18th century, John Grose noted that at Surat the Indian ship-building industry was very well established, indeed, “They built incomparably the best ships in the world for duration”, and of all sizes with a capacity of over a thousand tons. Their design appeared to him to be a “a bit clumsy” but their durability soundly impressed him. They lasted “for a century”. 

Lord Grenville
mentions, in this connection, a ship built in Surat which continued to navigate up the Red Sea from 1702 when it was first mentioned in Dutch letters as “the old ships” up to the year 1700.” Grenville also noted that ships of war and merchandise “not exceeding 500 tons” were being built” with facility, convenience and cheapness” at the ports of Coringa and Narsapore.  

Dr. H. Scott sent samples of dammer to London, as this vegetable substance was used by the Indians to line the bottom of their ships; he thought it would be a good substitute “in this country for the materials which are brought from the northern nations for our navy…There can be no doubt that you would find dammer in this way an excellent substitute for pitch and tar and for many purposes much superior to them.”

source: Decolonizing History: Technology and Culture in India, China and the West 1492 to the Present Day - By Claude Alvares  p. 68-69).

Alain Danielou (1907- 1994) son of French aristocracy, author of numerous books on philosophy, religion, history and arts of India has written:

"India's naval dockyards, which belonged to the state, were famous throughout history. The sailors were paid by the state, and the admiral of the fleet hired the ships and crew to tradesmen for transporting goods and passengers. When the British annexed the country much later on, they utilized the Indian dockyards - which were much better organized then those in the West - to build most of the ships for the British navy, for as long as ships were made of wood."

(source: A Brief History of India - By Alain Danielou  p. 106).

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India became the first power to defeat a European power in a naval battle - The Battle of Colachel in 1742 CE.

A dramatic and virtually unknown past, in an area of bucolic calm surrounded by spectacular hills: that is Colachel, a name that should be better known to us. For this is where, in 1741, an extraordinary event took place -- the Battle of Colachel. For the first, and perhaps the only time in Indian history, an Indian kingdom defeated a European naval force. The ruler of Travancore, Marthanda Varma, routed an invading Dutch fleet; the Dutch commander, Delannoy, joined the Travancore army and served for decades; the Dutch never recovered from this debacle and were never again a colonial threat to India. 

 

   

The ruler of Travancore, Marthanda Varma, routed an invading Dutch fleet; the Dutch commander, Delannoy, joined the Travancore army and served for decades; the Dutch never recovered from this debacle and were never again a colonial threat to India. 

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The Battle of Colachel in 1742 CE,  where Marthanda Varma of Travancore crushed a Dutch expeditionary fleet near Kanyakumari. The defeat was so total that the Dutch captain, Delannoy, joined the Travancore forces and served loyally for 35 years--and his tomb is still in a coastal fort there. So it wasn't the Japanese in the Yellow Sea in 1905 under Admiral Tojo who were the first Asian power to defeat a European power in a naval battle--it was little Travancore. The Portuguese and the Dutch were trying to gain political power in India at that time. Marthanda Varma defeated the Dutch in 1741. He was an able ruler. He established peace in his country - Travancore. It was a remarkable achievement for a small princely state.

(source: The Battle of Colachel: In remembrance of things past - By Rajeev Srinivasan - rediff.com and  http://www.kerala.com/kera/culture1.htm). For more refer to chapter on ).

For more information on Navy refer to chapters on Pacific Suvarnabhumi and Seafaring in Ancient India). 

 

Next Tuesday, Part XII of War in Ancient India






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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Good morning Tonk.


21 posted on 09/21/2004 2:07:35 AM PDT by Aeronaut (To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.)
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To: StarCMC
((HUGS))Good morning, Star. How's it going?

And a very pleasant good morning to everyone here at the Freeper Canteen and to all our military at home and abroad. Thanks for your continued service to our contry.

22 posted on 09/21/2004 3:00:02 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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Good morning, Tonk. How's it going?


23 posted on 09/21/2004 3:00:24 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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BTTT!!!!!!!


24 posted on 09/21/2004 3:00:44 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: All

September 21, 2004

Sent Down

Read: Philippians 2:5-11

Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time. —1 Peter 5:6

Bible In One Year: Ecclesiastes 7-9; 2 Corinthians 13


A sportswriter described former major league baseball player and manager Don Baylor as a person who always remembered how it felt to be "sent down" to the minor leagues. When one of his players had to be demoted, he would always meet with him to explain the decision. A team owner said of Baylor, "He has been through a lot of life lessons he can share with the players." It makes a big difference when the manager knows how a player feels.

It's always humbling to be reduced in rank, privilege, or responsibility. But these things may come as part of God's training in our lives. The apostle Peter wrote, "'God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.' Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time" (1 Peter 5:5-6).

The apostle Paul described Jesus as our example of humble submission to God. He was sent down from heaven to become a man—a "bondservant" who was obedient to the point of dying on the cross for our sins (Philippians 2:6-8).

Humility and submission to God are not signs of weakness but evidence of Christlike power and character. We can receive courage and strength from Jesus Himself, who knows how it feels to be "sent down." —David McCasland

Teach me to do the humble task
The very best I can,
And not to look for greater calls,
Which may oppose Thy plan. —Bernheisel

The mighty Architect of the universe became the humble Carpenter of Nazareth.

25 posted on 09/21/2004 4:25:11 AM PDT by The Mayor (The mighty Architect of the universe became the humble Carpenter of Nazareth)
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SALUTE!

 


26 posted on 09/21/2004 4:28:17 AM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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Good morning, Star! Good morning, Canteen Crew! Good morning, EVERYBODY!

GOOD
 

MORNING

TROOPS!


Me for PREZ! VOTE !!!


27 posted on 09/21/2004 4:28:55 AM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 2LT Radix jr; Radix; LaDivaLoca; Severa; Bethbg79; southerngrit; ...

 

Today's FEEBLE

YOKE :

Heckling in the courtroom had constantly interrupted the trial, and the judge had had enough.
“The next person who interrupts the proceeding will be thrown out of my court!” he said severely, at which the defendant yelled, “Hooray!”

28 posted on 09/21/2004 4:29:26 AM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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First Game

CUBS 5

Marlins 1 

 

Second Game

 

CUBS 2

Marlins 5 

 

 

 

TONIGHT

September 21 @ 6:05 p.m. CT
 Radio: WGN 720

  VS  
 

 
 

 

29 posted on 09/21/2004 4:30:06 AM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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Chicagoland Weather

September 21, 2004
Chicago, IL
Sunrise 6:37 AM (CDT)
Sunset 6:49 PM (CDT)
Hrs. of Daylight 12 Hrs., 12 Mins
 
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30 posted on 09/21/2004 4:30:37 AM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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That is one mesmerizing cat!


31 posted on 09/21/2004 4:31:36 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I'm way too tired to gooooooooooooood morning to all. If you hear a thump its my head hitting the desk.


32 posted on 09/21/2004 4:52:06 AM PDT by USVet6792Retired (Keep up the Fire!!)
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Morning Tom!


33 posted on 09/21/2004 5:08:36 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (It's not Bush's fault... it's the media's fault!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; StarCMC; Kathy in Alaska; bentfeather; MoJo2001; tomkow6; Spotsy; ...
Greetings, Canteeners, Troops,
and All the Ships at Sea!

And Happy First Day Of Autumn to all here! Sarge is reporting from the cubes again, but waiting patiently for the digital orders that will send his starched-BDU butt back to duty. And Sarge is still shaking his head over what the new assignment entails - not a litle travel, exposure to lots of people, having to be knowledgable in even more stuff than he already is (and that's a lot, but there's even more coming), and more school - this time, in Arkansas. Dates to follow, but it'll be sometime next month...

Last night, Sarge made the first meeting of his Writers' Class - and he took a selection of all the verses he's given to everyone here. The hit of the night was the poem that Star dared me to write, about dirt! They loved it - and some of the galz there liked my reading voice, too, so it was a double!

There was frost on Sarge's jalopy this morning, and Sarge's two pumpkins are turning a golden yellow - and the leaves are turning here, too!

Well, here's a few Personals:

TONKIN/DIVA LOCA: Another Super Tuesday thread, you two!

WRITER: A superb little piece, as usual...

KJ/USVET: Are y'all watching the river gauges, like I am? Got my wading boots ready, just in case...

TOMKOW: I am guessing that your cat's name is "Gem"?

Sarge will be in the area most of the day, so Let's Have Fun!

SARGE

DISCLAIMER: If you'd like to be on/off Sarge's Canteen Roll Call, FReepmail with details!

34 posted on 09/21/2004 5:09:27 AM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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Hi there, Sarge ! Have you begun your recruiting drive ?


35 posted on 09/21/2004 5:26:29 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend ( Cursum Perficio)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; LaDivaLoca; tomkow6; Kathy in Alaska; bentfeather; Bethbg79; StarCMC; ...

Good morning Everyone. Good morning/afternoon/evening to our

military and our allies. Have I said thank you lately? Well, thank you again!

My, my, my here I am at the office and it is almost 0830 and I have managed to get to the Canteen BEFORE 50 posts. I can't believe it. Was everyone busy chasing trolls last night or what?

It seems that FR is sluggish today. So, I'd better get in my personals this morning real quick and then get onto the job they pay me to do.

P.s. note to terrorist who have beheaded the hostages...........watch your back...........we are coming for you...............bwahahahahahahahahah...................


36 posted on 09/21/2004 5:32:47 AM PDT by beachn4fun ("Being American means being free. That's why they're proud." Tony Blair 7/17/03)
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To: Old Sarge

Good morning, Old Sarge. How's it going?


37 posted on 09/21/2004 5:33:34 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: beachn4fun

((HUGS))Good morning, beach. How's it going?


38 posted on 09/21/2004 5:33:59 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.

Morning EG. HUGS


39 posted on 09/21/2004 5:34:17 AM PDT by beachn4fun ("Being American means being free. That's why they're proud." Tony Blair 7/17/03)
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To: Old Sarge

Good morning Sarge. HUGS


40 posted on 09/21/2004 5:34:58 AM PDT by beachn4fun ("Being American means being free. That's why they're proud." Tony Blair 7/17/03)
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